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Aurornisyesterday at 4:02 PM22 repliesview on HN

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> Researchers analyzed survey data from 7,704 employees at a large healthcare organization.

I’ve been remote and worked for remote companies for a long time. In my observation, the well-being is bimodal. The people who adapt well to remote thrive. There are a lot of people who think they’re going to love remote who ultimately flame out from the loneliness, isolation, lack of visual boundaries between work and home life, and lack of externally enforced routine.

It’s really sad when the latter happens because it’s almost always someone who was hired for their great work and abilities. Then over time they get drained and you can see that the remote work wasn’t what they expected.

It’s basically impossible to predict who will fall into each category at the interview stage, or at least I can’t do it. Prior remote work success (not just experience) is the best indicator but it’s hard to evaluate, too. Some of the most difficult remote hires I’ve worked with had past remote work experience, but it’s only after being hired that you learn they struggled at those companies too.


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pixelreadyyesterday at 6:33 PM

Another factor beyond individual suitability to remote work (which certainly varies person to person and even within a person’s lifetime due to lifestyle changes), is the work situation itself.

One thing I don’t see mentioned in these discussions much is that someone might be perfectly content WFH when given clear goals and autonomy to execute in a neutral political environment, but do a few unexplained mass layoffs, give muddy direction or tighten the leash with stricter policies or new monitoring software and watch paranoia and depression take root (this is true in-office as well but I think gets amplified over Slack due to a stronger prisoner’s dilemma effect).

Unfortunately due to the power differential, any disruption to output caused by these situations will still be blamed on the individual contributor.

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Xirdusyesterday at 5:14 PM

I used to have a hybrid job. The company culture was oriented for 100% remote, because it was 100% remote until RTO happened. The office space felt like a coworking space where everybody was a remote worker who just happened to work on the same project in the same company. Nobody ever approached anybody, everything was over Slack. We did have meeting rooms but everybody preferred calling in from their desks. Even for the daily standup! Most miserable workplace experience of my life.

I interpret the study findings not as remote workers being happier, but on-site workers being less happy in remote-oriented companies than on-site workers in on-site-oriented companies.

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JohnMakinyesterday at 6:01 PM

> lack of visual boundaries between work and home life,

This was the major one for me, in addition to the other stuff you mentioned. The "always at work" feeling was reinforced by the management style of remote work being like, we expect you to be generally available to respond at any time in a 12 hour window, sometimes more (because everyone works their own schedules across multiple timezones). In an office this separation is clean, and if I'm responding to messages or working at home, it's generally accepted this is outside the norm and I'm perfectly free to just shut the laptop off until the next morning 99% of the time unless I am on-call. It's nice.

The first thing I did when I went back fully in-office was tear down my home office and turn it into a game room. I generally do not even use a computer in my home. Sometimes we have enforced WFH days due to various things or events, but I established the understanding with management that generally I will not be expected to work full days from home outside of emergencies and I take those days off.

I understand some people love it, and I have a good office environment which helps, but the downsides (general office annoyances, commuting, lunch expenses, clothing expenses, etc) way outweigh the downsides of working remote for me. I got severely depressed and burnt out very quickly.

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hiAndrewQuinnyesterday at 6:16 PM

>Prior remote work success (not just experience) is the best indicator but it’s hard to evaluate, too. Some of the most difficult remote hires I’ve worked with had past remote work experience, but it’s only after being hired that you learn they struggled at those companies too.

I often tell people that I'm unusually well suited to remote work because I've had a lot of practice. Starting in high school I was out more days than I was in owing to health problems, yet I still managed to knock out 11 AP classes because I got really serious about reading the textbook and actually studying on my own time. This was even before I discovered spaced repetition systems.

By the time I actually got to college I realized these techniques were not only more effective and enjoyable for me than sitting down in lectures, but that the vast majority of students never actually had to build these muscles to begin with. They really struggle when the courses get too big to cram into a class session, but it's not because they're dumb or anything - it's literally just an endurance sport they've never played.

I feel those same muscles are the ones I've been using in remote work, which I've had the good fortune to do my entire career in at least a 60% capacity and more often a 100% capacity. Remote work likely feels deeply unnatural at first, to people who aren't used to putting in focused sweat at a desk in their own room far beyond what traditional education typically requires.

I hope my own children develop this ability too, although I'm not really sure how to get them there.

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foobarianyesterday at 4:26 PM

I am doing well with remote because I'm pathologically introverted and find that being around people is exhausting. I can imagine things being the other way around for extroverts and that is saddening.

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soupfordummiesyesterday at 4:12 PM

How do you know they're flaming out/struggling/etc because of remote work issues rather than other issues like company culture etc?

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tikhonjyesterday at 5:30 PM

Exactly the same thing happens with in-office work. I've certainly had that experience! But it's hard to talk about because in-person work is the "default", and it feels like if you have problems with that it's a sign of problems with you.

(Not to mention that, in both contexts, it's very hard to pull apart being remote vs in-office from other aspects of the work and culture.)

elmer2yesterday at 7:06 PM

I've always thought that the same discipline needed to work remotely, is the same to start your own company. When you start a company, you have the same isolation, lack of coworkers for socialization, and no boundaries between work and home.

It also requires you to be a self-starter.

I've been working remotely since 2007. Thew few times I've had client visits reminds me all over again why I hated working in an office.

coffeefirstyesterday at 5:30 PM

It’s also circumstantial.

Working remote during COVID sucked and felt unmoored.

Once I had a robust IRL social life and could go see some live music again, it was great.

It also depends if you live in tiny apartment or if you have a house with a dedicated space.

The same person can take to it depending on the circumstances.

Fire-Dragon-DoLtoday at 8:13 AM

I worked remote my entire life, I have never worked in the office (I did occasionally go for socialization purposes at one company), that's 20 years working remote. Would that be sufficient of a proof?

I am not looking for a job, just trying to figure out what would be sufficient to convince you of good remote work skills. I am happy where I am at (a full remote company, yes)

kstenerudyesterday at 7:13 PM

For me it's always been the opposite: Stuck with so many people around, always talking, always things going on and draining me. No way to focus.

Remote work was a godsend. I started working remote in 2015 and never looked back.

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b1gTekkenyesterday at 5:29 PM

Some struggle regardless of remote or onsite because office job culture has become fucking stupid FOMO fueled social animal farm, not a meaningful economic contributor in real terms.

That never comes up though as the dogma must survive.

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ChrisMarshallNYyesterday at 9:45 PM

Also Zoom.

I know a number of folks that work remote, and they are on Zoom, all day.

That would drive me nuts! [actually, it's not really a drive; more of a short putt -Ed.]

I use Zoom frequently, but always find it to be exhausting. I guess that's just me, though.

But I'm also retired, and really leaning into not ever going back into the office again.

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seertoday at 4:09 AM

Don’t coworking spaces solve some of the issues? I am one of these people that hates working from home and loves going to the office - the chat with colleagues, the exercise of bicycling to the office and back, the context switching between work and not work - otherwise I loose myself in the work. All of that is awesome for me.

When I was playing around with remote work, (before the pandemic and before it was cool) - I figured most of this can be offset by just going to a coworking place - and even better - friendships you form from there seem stronger, because people are less anchored to the company and more to the “place” - more open to friendships. Plus you can pick and switch your “office” as desired for your mode of travel and preferences (or even switch cities, travel around)

pseudosavantyesterday at 7:51 PM

Could agree with this more. I've worked 100% remote for the last 6 years and had quite a few years of hybrid remote work before that.

Not everyone is as well suited to it because you have to implement your own boundaries and discipline. I used to get a majority of my social interaction at work, now I have to make sure I get out with friends, or even just to the store, to make sure I'm not just in my house all day toggling between work and personal life.

But any downside I have to manage like that is more than offset by being at home, with the temperature how I like it (I always froze in offices), with my dogs, able to go pick up my kids from school, and with an ideal desk setup (43" monitor, quiet uninterrupted space, able to use voice mode on Codex without disrupting others) that I couldn't have in an office.

mrsilencedogoodyesterday at 4:51 PM

I absolutely detest this framing of remote vs onsite. What it really is is accommodated vs not-accommodated.

Accommodated employees perform better. Non-accommodated employees perform worse.

For some people, an office is an accommodation - they need that not-home space with other people in it. For others, a home office is an accommodation - a very convenient/local space with very few distractions.

It should come as absolutely no surprise that putting someone somewhere they do not feel accommodated is going to reduce performance.

I also really reject this boomer-esque idea that in-office helps underperformers underperform less. Instead I find it helps under-performers _appear_ to underperform less because they can chat up the boss and more visibly do performative stuff like showing up early or leaving late.

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jp57yesterday at 6:37 PM

There is no mention of how many of the surveyed workers are even able to work remotely. A large healthcare organization is likely to employ many people who must be on-site in a hospital or clinic to even do their jobs, from doctors and nurses to orderlies, food service, and cleaning staff.

It is easy to imagine that the ER staff might report lower well-being than someone on the admin staff who works from home on their laptop all day.

jghnyesterday at 9:00 PM

> here are a lot of people who think they’re going to love remote who ultimately flame out

I'm the opposite. I avoided remote work, figuring I'd hate it. Then COVID forced it upon me. And now I won't even consider a job unless it's remote-first. I'd allow for remote-friendly definitions of hybrid though.

duxupyesterday at 9:23 PM

Yeah it is not a remote good / office bad thing.

I work remote when and how I want, it's great.

But there's days and even weeks where "I just want to go in" and that's helpful with meetings, work, socialization.

Different people like different modes and even at different times.

buddhistdudeyesterday at 6:00 PM

I just flamed out exactly as you describe. It's my second time also. If anyone has any tips for some kind of counseling or coaching or anything else, would be much appreciated.

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paul7986yesterday at 7:14 PM

Loved remote working from 2019 to early 2026. No doubt it was the best type of job for my health as there was little stress and I was never lonely. I made sure I found new friends (like in 2024 I found a happy hour group via Bumble for Friends of 6 other dudes in which we gather every Tuesday. Also, one of them is my European travel buddy as his kid now lives in Europe) and strengthened other friendships.

I am now one of the millions out of work techies yet Im starting a new job and career in healthcare soon. Definitely am missing remote work but i need to pay my bills. Further, IT especially web design and development is a dying field especially with the upcoming voice Internet paradigm shift I see and in which Open AI is working on now (wrote about such here https://ryanspahn.substack.com/p/openais-rumored-speaker-bel...)

pydryyesterday at 4:34 PM

>There are a lot of people who think they’re going to love remote who ultimately flame out from the loneliness, isolation, lack of visual boundaries between work and home life

This used to be me but pair programming / in-call collaborative working solved 100% of all of those problems.

Even the work/life boundary was solved because as soon as I dropped off the call at the end of the day my brain immediately switched off work mode.

These days the first thing I do in a new team is try to suss out who else is a bit like this and try to work out a collaborative working pattern that works for all of us.

It's not just more fun it's almost unreasonably effective. People who work non collaboratively tend to make more mistakes, bugs and worse decisions.

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