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Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

68 pointsby speckxtoday at 3:06 PM55 commentsview on HN

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evnptoday at 5:47 PM

Thanks for introducing me to shieldfont.org! It's the first of these I've seen that feels designed to be more than a visual experiment, reading through their landing page is interesting. In particular, their section on accessibility seems to contradict this post's opening premise:

> Screen readers get the real words. A screen reader reading down the page is never handed scrambled text, and our NVDA test asserts exactly that. Screen review and touch exploration are untested. ShieldFont hides shielded passages from accessibility tools by default with aria-hidden="true", because a decoy read aloud is fluent, grammatical, wrong English, and that is worse than silence.

> The real words remain sealed in the same page, and a visible notice above the block carries the control that uncovers them. It is on by default and reachable by mouse, keyboard and screen reader alike. Pressing it sets the reader’s browser to solving a compute-heavy puzzle: JavaScript and a few seconds of processing, more than most mass scrapers are willing to spend. That puts the words within reach of a screen reader, a translator and copy/paste.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Also just aside, love this TUI-esque blog design and color palette (maybe a bearblog theme? still worth an upvote)

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condour75today at 5:15 PM

Are these even meant to be used though? It seems more like performance art.

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pikertoday at 4:50 PM

There could be benefits unlocked in legal documents by retaining a machine-readable version and distributing the obfuscated version with a legend at the top. We proposed one that said:

"This document contains mitigations against review by automated systems. Recipients should ensure that they have read the contents on screen or in print. Recipients with bona fide vision impairments may be entitled to unmitigated documents upon request."

In testing, obfuscating small portions of text slipped under the radar of most (then-)frontier LLMs.

We used a font that was rendered on the fly and reported faulty or fake Unicode mappings: https://tritium.legal/blog/noroboto but others have proposed and done the same with ligatures.

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hk1337today at 4:59 PM

Anti-AI fonts seems like scrambled porn on cable back in the 1980s.

hartatortoday at 4:51 PM

It also mostly don’t work.

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blehntoday at 6:18 PM

The irony of championing accessibility using low-contrast simulated VGA text...

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fluoridationtoday at 5:20 PM

Wouldn't a font that shuffled the codepoint-to-glyph assignments be more effective?

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Vareliontoday at 6:02 PM

Is there evidence shieldfont doesn't work?

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grim_iotoday at 6:23 PM

DRM for your eyes == garbage idea.

waffletowertoday at 3:51 PM

I don't foresee anti-AI fonts being widely adopted. I see them largely as the symbolic saber rattling of intellectual property trolls.

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dana-stoday at 3:41 PM

I believe the cat and rat game is already there, for multiple places, spam, captchas and now for AI content, yes, it's objective is to make it harder for AI companies to get such data, if it wastes their time, it's a win.

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avazhitoday at 5:33 PM

Not everything that annoys or inconveniences you is harmful, as if this needs to be said to an adult.

hellojomptoday at 4:20 PM

We are now in a weird middle ground where we want to write things OCR algorithms have trouble transcribing which also means we write things people with accessibility issues have trouble seeing. No child left behind?

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unethical_bantoday at 3:54 PM

Is it part of the joke that the site is intentionally over-pixelated while the author critiques readability? (edit: I don't mind esoteric design and I play old games. I found it funny to see a blog with aesthetics that are not optimized for long reading to complain about the readability of fonts)

I don't think any anti-AI font design is more than design-as-art statements against AI. If there is evidence of them being used exclusively for business and without accessible fonts aside them, I'm willing to be wrong.

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yipinwongtoday at 5:46 PM

Not trynna to be funny. The author's post is anti-human, thus useless and harmful (medically).

I can't read this bad font, sizing, spacing, etc. The main offender is the color choice, and fonts that are just god aweful to read.

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kokaneetoday at 6:00 PM

I'm a bit frustrated by what seems to be a widespread strong negative reaction to anti-AI fonts. The accessibility problem is real, but I feel like that's a reason to push the investigation deeper for solutions to that problem, not a reason to abandon the effort entirely. The largest intellectual property infringement in the history of the universe is actively unfolding, and it's resulting in an existentially threatening transfer of wealth and power. That's a problem worth exploring every solution for, and solving it may entail some serious sacrifices.

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