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Bratmontoday at 5:01 PM6 repliesview on HN

In my understanding of literature, I went through the same arc as the poster, but then I made it to the next realization- "thickness" is just your willingness to give authors credit for things they didn't write, and it can be done just as well for works that are considered "schlock" as it can for the canon of works that are considered "great".

You can read "Moby Dick" as a story about a fish, and you can read "50 shades of grey" as a treatise on existentialism and the human spirit- it's all up to you!


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DEADMEATtoday at 5:41 PM

Your point of view seems to imply that the author's skill and intent don't matter, which I can't agree with. The reason that a reader's effort gets more out of a great work is because the author put it there, not because it exists as a function of the work in itself.

nostromo95today at 5:15 PM

I'm sure this aesthetic relativism holds up under argument, but this is an 'anti realization' that:

-Reduces explanatory power (if Moby-Dick and 50 Shades are the same, why has one been lauded for 100 years, minted the careers of countless academics, etc.?)

-Makes the world less interesting

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topaz0today at 6:14 PM

I don't think it's about giving credit at all.

Brian_K_Whitetoday at 8:31 PM

This just means that you don't percieve any difference, not that there is no difference.

Ar-Curunirtoday at 6:45 PM

I don’t think that’s true. True masters will create works that enable additional interpretations, perhaps beyond or even contradictory to those intended by the original authors. I doubt 50 Shades of Grey enables such a multitude of additional interpretations.

AnimalMuppettoday at 5:33 PM

I strongly disagree. Sure, I can say story X is about Y, for any arbitrary Y.

But take Hamlet, for example. You can say that it's about revenge destroying the one who takes it. Or you could say it's about failing to seize the moment ultimately making you pay a much higher price. Or you could say it's about insanity, and whether sane people are insane and insane people are sane. And none of those is wrong!

You could even say it's about how tedious it is to have to listen to pompous old windbags, and you'd be at least partially right.

But if you said it was about body thetans, then no, you are objectively wrong. There is no honest reading of Hamlet that reaches that conclusion.

"Thickness" is giving authors credit for things they didn't write, but they did leave breadcrumbs for. That's different from "they didn't write it at all", and it's also different from "I didn't look for breadcrumbs, so I didn't see them".

Here's an example: The song "Welcome to the Future", by Brad Paisley, the third verse says:

  I had a friend in school
  Running back on the football team.
  They burned a cross in his front yard
  For asking out the homecoming queen.
  I thought about him today
  And everybody who'd seen what he'd seen
  From a woman on a bus
  To a man with a dream.
That verse is thick. There are breadcrumbs all over the place, trails leading to things that the author did not say. And yet he did say them, through the breadcrumbs.