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pyridinestoday at 3:23 PM9 repliesview on HN

I just can't accept that it possesses no intelligence. It is not equivalent to human intelligence, obviously, but how can a system without some semblance of rational thinking solve open math problems? Even composing earlier human work into something novel requires intelligence and understanding on some level.


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wongarsutoday at 3:57 PM

We couldn't agree on what intelligence means before ChatGPT happened. Now, agreement on the term seems even further away

If performing well on an IQ test or performing at a high level on knowledge work is intelligence to you, these models are intelligent. If intelligence requires sentience for you, then ... well, I don't think we really agree what that is either, never mind how to measure it. But LLMs certainly don't have it right now

But the consistent trend of the last couple decades (arguably since Turing's time) seems to be that any time a computer reaches our definition of intelligence we decide that that was a flawed definition

bluetomcattoday at 3:53 PM

It has no semantic depth. The sentences and the paragraphs are a statistically viable derivation of existing human text, but once you try to grasp the whole thing with its temporal and spatial dimensions, you are left with a blurry mess that rots your brain. It's a polished, inoffensive and shallow interpretation as written by an opinionated reputation-seeking user of Quora, circa 2019. Assertive, bold, without typos, clean-cut and bulleted, but without an interesting semantic core.

prophesitoday at 9:05 PM

I'm guessing whether you believe it possesses intelligence or not depends on your answer to Searle's Chinese room thought experiment[0]. I'd also recommend checking out the Peter Watts' book, Blindsight.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

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bayindirhtoday at 3:29 PM

It's just filled to the brim with relations between things. It's good at searching a very large meaning space and create correlations. What it does is to cover great distances and find related things in that large space which needs a long time and large corpus of knowledge to find the connection.

This is not intelligence. It's just a good correlation engine with a very big albeit lossy database of things.

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mythrwytoday at 10:35 PM

While being very capable, AI is missing something required for true intelligence and I struggle to explain exactly what it is I see missing.

It's not really "creativity" because much of that always was derivative in my opinion. And LLMs are (for some definition of the word) fairly creative as far as taking known elements and re-arranging them.

I think what is missing is sort of a world model building capability. As humans we see phenomenon and classify them informally and model "what would it look like if this were the cause of that?" type scenarios. We see qualities in phenomena and realize this applies to other things even though the things may be completely different. We run informal "thought experiments" sort of. This is hard to duplicate because a lot (most?) of it occurs outside of systems of symbols like math and language with fixed rules in my opinion.

Anyway yes, lots of human thinking is statistical and LLMs have that down pretty well but they are not "smart" I have concluded and it might be a very long time, if ever, until they are. That isn't to say they aren't very capable tools which they obviously are.

dupedtoday at 7:11 PM

I don't think statistically driven prediction implies reasoning or intelligence.

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EA-3167today at 8:33 PM

I suspect like most you don't appreciate how terrifying statistical relationships become when you have truly vast data sets to train on... and also that we as humans aren't as shockingly unique as we think (compared to other humans I mean).

figerstoday at 3:29 PM

watch this and see if you think it has intelligence by the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUicaho5k8

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ThrowawayR2today at 3:47 PM

LLMs are pattern prediction systems with a large training data set. It is not surprising that they can predict patterns, particularly for a well structured field like mathematics that is also amenable to automated proof checking to help steer it.