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dijittoday at 8:36 PM3 repliesview on HN

its only with the benefit of hindsight (and being on the winning side- thus the propaganda was never dispelled) that we consider the stasi and so on the way we do.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.. might just be a duck.

I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today.


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TimTheTinkertoday at 9:35 PM

> I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today.

"normal life" under the Stasi was constant political terror and suppression.

The death counts are low because they thought death too little of a penalty for opposing them - they used psychological warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung) and torture instead.

The International Rehabilitation Council for Torture Victims states that there were between 300,000 and 500,000 victims of the Stasi's use of psychological warfare, direct physical torture and gross human rights violations: https://web.archive.org/web/20210909114942/https://irct.org/....

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shevy-javatoday at 10:42 PM

> I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today.

That's wrong.

I am sure you do not speak German, because otherwise you'd have a lot more information available.

If you do speak German, listen to Dieter Hallervorden. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJh9ejnpvFc

He explained why he escaped from the DDR. And they ALL knew that the cops were sniffing on them. Of course they considered the cops as evil and invasive, even by today standards.

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leonidasruptoday at 9:01 PM

Soviet era under Stalin was brutal.

Soviet famine of 1930–1933

"It is estimated that 5.7 to 8.7 million people died from starvation across the Soviet Union. In addition, 50 to 70 million Soviet citizens starved during the famine but ultimately survived."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%93...

Great Purge

"Scholars estimate the death toll of the Great Purge at 700,000 to 1.2 million."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

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