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zarzavattoday at 1:39 PM10 repliesview on HN

It is possible to ignore laws if it's too much bother to comply with them... it's hard to imagine the authorities will come after someone for mailing out 10 anti-static bags.


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caseysoftwaretoday at 1:54 PM

That's a very American mindset. I've worked across both the US and EU at a variety of companies with customers, partners, etc and it's a clear pattern:

- Americans are usually willing to skirt the rules and figure it out later. This comes with risk but is ideal when you're early stage, low stakes, and you couldn't follow the rules anyway.

- Europeans absolutely want to do it by the book and will be shocked if you suggest otherwise. Being process oriented is great for high stakes industries where lives and safety are on the line but destroys startups, likely slowing or even killing innovation.

There is no floor to the level of "petty" that can happen here: the UK - granted, not the EU - goes after individuals who don't pay their TV license and determine the who by triangulating unlicensed TVs via radio trucks and inspectors looking in your windows.

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FinnLobsientoday at 1:57 PM

The problem is that even this has a chilling effect on innovation:

1.It will dissuade some people from starting in the first place because it's one more hurdle. Even if in practice people don't comply, the existence of that complexity will dissuade some people.

2.Even if nobody is being prosecuted for mailing 10 anti-static bags, what is the number at which you do comply? And once you do, will you be held accountable for everything that came before?

lukantoday at 1:45 PM

Likely not, but would you want the extra risk and the stress involved, that maybe one day you will find a expensive letter in your box?

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matt-ptoday at 1:59 PM

Maybe it's super convenient for you in the moment, but the aggregate effect is pretty bad. If everyone just ignores laws because they're too much hassle and they don't expect to get caught, enforcement becomes incredibly difficult. You end up with loads of laws that technically exist but are only selectively enforced, which is a pretty serious problem.

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anonzzziestoday at 2:03 PM

Yeah, I always ignore them, first in my own country (NL) and after that in EU. Even if they fine (which they don't for small companies/persons), they will not spend money/efforts to cash the fine anyway, especially across borders. I had a few useless fines in the 35 years of my company, never will pay them.

dmixtoday at 1:56 PM

Great way for larger companies to knock you their smaller competitors by hiring a firm to vet they follow the rules

bluGilltoday at 1:45 PM

You risk that someone wants to make an example of you. You might run for mayor and your past is dig up and exaggerated

pelagicAustraltoday at 1:44 PM

Don't hold your breath.

AndroTuxtoday at 1:49 PM

Sounds like a great opportunity for folks to sue you for exactly that. Same with the imprint requirement in Germany. There are people out there looking for small businesses without an imprint to extract some money from them.

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raverbashingtoday at 1:44 PM

Yeah I'm betting on that as well

In the end, it's mail being sent.