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Don't Wordle

324 pointsby Hbruz0yesterday at 11:49 AM117 commentsview on HN

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amiga386yesterday at 1:22 PM

12935 -> TIZZY (5625) -> OXBOW (2674) -> GRUFF (858) -> MAMMA (195) and I'll let you guess the rest but my next choice left 43 words, and I survived with only 4 words possible.

The rules not letting use a letter you know isn't in the target word drastically cuts your choices, your best bet is to use as few unique letters per word as you can, and as uncommon letters as you can, but as all normal words need vowels you'll be forced into only picking a vowel from the target word soon enough. Try to find letters that are in the word as late as possible so you're not locked into having to use them.

Once you are forced to use letters from the target word, avoid placing them in the right place. Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA), and a rule for not letting you put a known letter in a place you know it doesn't go (so after MAMMA, you can't have HALVE because you know there's not an A in second place, nor ALPHA because you know there's not an A in fifth place).

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Angosturayesterday at 12:57 PM

If you enjoy clicking things you can spend hours in their cookie consent boxes untickinv the several hundred individual ‘legitimate interest’ tick boxes for individual vendors

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dontwordleyesterday at 6:23 PM

Wow I can't believe this showed up on the front page years later. That's fun! I am still new to using Google AdSense and am enjoying the wrath of HN on this thread! Hope everyone can still enjoy the game today. Thank you for the feedback!

flexieyesterday at 12:44 PM

We are asked to allow hundreds of cookies, not just a few, to play the game.

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markkatyesterday at 3:11 PM

Nice. I play Last Word daily.

https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/

It's the same goal, but everyone starts with the same word each day, which does not include any letters in the "last word".

No undos in Last Word. My average is 8.7 letters. Really hoping to get it to 9.

weedfroglozengetoday at 2:39 AM

This game got surprisingly big for what once was an LLM prompt "Create an opposite version of wordle and throw AdSense on it"

hollylawlyyesterday at 12:42 PM

Of course the one time I get it in 2 guesses is in this version

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rylandoyesterday at 12:35 PM

Well this sure makes Wordle feel a lot easier!

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MarioManyesterday at 7:23 PM

In the same vein, last year I took on a good old fashioned optimization problem for Worlde. Given a guess list and answer list, find all of the “perfectly bad” Worlde games in the shortest time. This means never reusing letters or finding any of the letters in the word. I got it from over 35 hours down to a mere 20 seconds.

Results and code here: https://github.com/SMarioMan/worst-wordle

gcrtoday at 12:32 AM

This is great!

A couple years ago I adapted a quite similar concept for the PUCO 8: https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?pid=106664 My version allowed players to re-use letters though. Yours is much more interesting and challenging.

I remember being pretty proud of my compression system that let me fit several thousands of words on the cartridge.

apparenttoday at 1:45 AM

Pretty cool. I wonder at what point it makes sense to actually try to guess what the actual word is and then figure out which words you should guess in order to avoid it.

NikolaNovakyesterday at 3:40 PM

Like it, but would love a "No Undo" option, or at least, "don't force undo".

My friends and I share our wordle results daily. Would like to add this, but so that if you guess in three or four tries, that's OK, that's just your score for the day. Right now game forces me to undo if I have reduced option space to fewer words than there are remaining guesses, and that's quite annoying for how we'd want to play :)

huhtenbergyesterday at 12:50 PM

Some of the suggested plays for yellow EA and green H after the first guess:

    ALMEH
    BEKAH
    BELAH
    DEASH
    OBEAH
    SELAH
Not much fun to play with a dictionary like this :-/
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dangyesterday at 6:09 PM

Related:

Show HN: Can you lose at Wordle if you tried? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31572258 - May 2022 (236 comments)

grocery_storesyesterday at 12:41 PM

One thing I find odd about the rules: it forces you to respect what you've learned via green or yellow tiles, but not gray tiles. The spirit of the rules suggests once you've learned a letter is not in the word, you shouldn't be able to reuse that letter. Perhaps that would simply make the game too difficult, though.

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steinvakt2yesterday at 2:18 PM

Cool. Surprisingly difficult. I made an art game inspired by wordle some years ago. My dad and I still play it daily. https://artle.eu

gpvosyesterday at 5:58 PM

It took me a minute to find out that I needed to close the instructions to see the actual game. A Play button would have been nice.

seeking_futuretoday at 12:32 AM

hmm, if you quote unquote must use the letters locked in from the previous example, then they should be brought down to the previous row and locked in by default no? a robot could have fixed that for lessthan 5000 tokens i bet.

lucideeryesterday at 1:13 PM

I tried playing this as if its wordle & got it in 2 guesses. How do they do this ??? That's next to impossible in wordle & the probalities seem like they should be the same?

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Murfaloyesterday at 4:12 PM

    *      12974
    QAJAQ   1979
    PZAZZ    861
    OBANG    449
    URARI    232
    FLAFF     58
    DWALM     10
(totally didn't cheat: https://github.com/murfalo/dontwordle-assistant)
netsharcyesterday at 12:53 PM

I'd enjoy it if the rules with some graphics are displayed near the game, for newbies.

e.g. show a word with some green letters and that they have to be in the same spot in the other word. e.g. FUBAR with green B -> __B__

FUBAR with yellow R -> RRRR_ (with gray background and white R to signify "has to be placed somewhere here")

And for the gray letters, I guess.. show them next to the _____ in a trash can?

nullzzzyesterday at 3:38 PM

The ads, the banners. Immediate exit.

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embedding-shapeyesterday at 12:35 PM

This is amazing, and incredible difficult (or I'm terrible), after ~10 minutes I can't even get in a third guess!

theanonymousoneyesterday at 12:44 PM

I hope NYT lawyers don't come for you. They did for many other variants of this. Maybe reconsider the name?

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catocyesterday at 6:14 PM

I had to deny hundreds of tracking “partners” wanting to place cookies - without a ‘reject all’ option - before I could even access the website…

So Don’t Access Don’t Wordle

noahltyesterday at 3:29 PM

This is a great demonstration of why Wordle’s Hard Mode is actually easier.

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MDTHLNyesterday at 12:40 PM

This is quite fun, but I can’t believe the amount of cookies it wants to set!

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tfrancislyesterday at 3:31 PM

Clicked expecting commentary on why playing NYTs wordle, and perhaps other games, was problematic for some reason. Found a game instead.

Folconyesterday at 12:54 PM

Is the word list complete?

I tried WEIRD and it rejected it as not a word

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rhplusyesterday at 4:49 PM

I sense this is not winnable for all Wordle dictionary words. Is that provably the case?

luciana1uyesterday at 12:54 PM

finally a game that respects that I already know all five-letter words and would rather be told not to use them

jamesforestwestyesterday at 4:54 PM

Funny idea, it turned out to be a bit more difficult than I thought

senfiajyesterday at 2:28 PM

You can use hints, after that I could find the right sequence

trash smash abash gnash quash clash

HelloUsernameyesterday at 2:16 PM

(Un)related; does anyone know where to play the non-NYT Wordle version?

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Velocifyeryesterday at 7:29 PM

Why is the word “satan” not allowed?

mdayesterday at 1:02 PM

I see that terrible cookie permission window (62 legitimate interest) and I close the window,

lugaoyesterday at 12:46 PM

It is too hard to be fun :P

mryingsteryesterday at 4:56 PM

Dang it. I accidentally got the word in two!!!

intrasightyesterday at 12:56 PM

What does "you have already eliminated the letter T" mean?

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thomastjefferyyesterday at 5:30 PM

Unfortunately, my goto starter word is 4 green letters.

It's pretty frustrating to immediately lose, and then have to undo to find out what the word was.

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JoshTriplettyesterday at 2:48 PM

Disappointing that this seems to only be a "daily" game, and not have a "just play" mode that uses random words. First thing that I look for with any game that presents itself as "daily" is "where's the non-daily mode".

tantaloryesterday at 1:44 PM

(meta comment) the chit chat about cookies is off topic and pointless

doctorpanglossyesterday at 4:45 PM

Legitimately a much better game than actual Wordle.

phren0logyyesterday at 1:09 PM

Be happ-ole? (Insert whistling)

wafflebotyesterday at 6:36 PM

got it on 2nd turn. I am terrible at this.

massimodeluisayesterday at 12:38 PM

Ahahhaha funny! xD

GNR_Radioyesterday at 12:44 PM

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burnt-resistoryesterday at 12:52 PM

The goal isn't explained clearly and simply enough.

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