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trgnyesterday at 9:19 PM3 repliesview on HN

> to enforce artificial borders and deny everyone this basic freedom.

a very postnational view, humanist in a way, lipsius or erasmus would recognize it.

that sort of individuated cosmopolitanism only works for educated men and women with means, who have or have the capacity to self-actualize.

not for the masses. the nation is still a cradle to protect and nurture the commonwealth, and given that they took hundreds to sometimes thousands of years to form, i don't think borders are artificial in the least.


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UncleOxidantyesterday at 11:45 PM

> that sort of individuated cosmopolitanism only works for educated men and women with means, who have or have the capacity to self-actualize.

So because not everyone can afford to travel freely we shouldn't let anyone do that?

Synaesthesiayesterday at 11:33 PM

There's no reason why we should worship borders, or the state.

Razengantoday at 2:10 AM

> and given that they took hundreds to sometimes thousands of years to form, i don't think borders are artificial in the least.

"Borders" as they are treated today began barely 200 years ago, and only started being enforced so strictly since WW1 and then even worse after WW2.

For the vast >95% of human history, if you could walk to somewhere and survive there, you could live there.

The real ironic shit is that most of the travel and immigration restrictions of today are instituted by the descendants of people that invaded and occupied the lands of other people :')

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