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orbital-decaytoday at 6:06 AM1 replyview on HN

>See e.g. 4.8, Dynamic Flow: LLMs basically can't have this, as their weights are frozen.

So consciousness = neuroplasticity? Requires neuroplasticity? Sounds pretty arbitrary, just like the entire link is an arbitrary set of ill-defined criteria. Besides, LLM weights are far from frozen if you look at the entire process in its specific time projection.

In fact the entire definition of a dynamic flow in that article is so vague that you can apply it to an industrial arm guided by a few dynamic equations, as it puts no definite threshold on the complexity of the process or behavior.


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D-Machinetoday at 6:17 AM

You are still stuck in thinking consciousness is one unified thing, but it is about one of the clearest examples of a family-resemblance category as you can think of.

Dynamicness / change is one aspect that is definitely part of what we tend to think of as being quite fundamental to consciousness, and there are a lot of ways in which LLMs can't and/or don't really change, and this strongly constrains how similar LLM consciousness can/could be to ours.

If the SEP isn't enough to trigger the thinking needed for you, just ask an LLM what I said, to "go through the ways in which LLMs do/don't/may exhibit phenomena that are generally what we consider fundamental aspects of consciousness". You'll see there are some clear answers, and some uncertainties and vagueness.

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