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nltoday at 6:04 AM1 replyview on HN

> This was/is basically a strawman though. Like maybe "human input winning" was desirable for chess masters but for computer science wonks?

Oh no!

The whole field was full of people whose entire career was built around the idea of developing smart priors.

To quote Wikipedia:

> For computer vision in particular, much progress came from manual feature engineering, such as SIFT features, SURF features, HoG features, bags of visual words, etc. It was a minority position in computer vision that features can be learned directly from data

This undersells the change though! David Lowe's reputation as the best image researcher in the world was based on his SIFT patent[1]

This approach worked until 30 September 2012.

That was a bitter day for many, many computer science researchers.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-invariant_feature_transf...


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ianjbutlertoday at 6:52 AM

Is being wrong/ignorant about whether/how something can be automated the same as having a preference for doing it manually? Maybe so if it's your patent, your thesis I guess..

But as it relates to more/less magic, maybe the more modern lens on this is e.g. https://arxiv.org/html/2505.11581v1 . Is manual feature-engineering more like what you'd evolve, or more like what you'd get from SGD ? Feasibility and performance is always a question, there are others like what is robust, stable, adaptable, predictable, explainable. Maybe the manual-features people were interested in something besides the manual part? Maybe the story isn't so simple, and maybe it's not finished yet.