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TZubiriyesterday at 4:40 PM2 repliesview on HN

There's a winner takes all (monopoly) dynamic, if everyone uses your product, you can share the ip banlists between customers.


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1oooqooqyesterday at 5:16 PM

See, this is you falling for their marketing.

It makes sense doesn't it? If you own all the pipes, you can effectively block bad actors. But in reality what they do is to just block everyone who blocks advertising tracking and profiling tech (such as canvas fingerprint etc)... and because all vendors use cf, they all block those same clients, and they think there's some winner takes all magic happening with finely tuned blocklists. Don't fall for the marketing!

Try it yourself. Block those fingerprinting tech and try to access their own user forum. you get blocked. Now allow fingerprinting (even if emulated in a headless chrome!) and access by the most toxic vpn you can think off, access granted.

All cloudflare does is act like a gatekeep for monetizable-by-creepy-advertising-networks traffic, not bots. If the bots pay the small headless chrome tax, you get bombarded with their requests just fine.

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realusernameyesterday at 5:27 PM

For bots, usually a monopoly just paints a bigger target on your back than custom low scale prevention methods.

And Cloudflare is no exception, the "hello world" of bots is Cloudflare bypass.