> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

There's a huge difference between the kind of prose you see in final output vs CoT windows. The final output is very much not what I'd call "packing lots of signal into fewer words" (aside perhaps from "Claude-isms" being easy enough to scan for if for some reason you actually wanted to scan for them, which other agents might want to for all I know); and if agents are writing for each other then presumably they could stick to CoT-speak (unless it's a distillation risk?).

It's the complete opposite, it's filled with unreadable noise with almost no signal.

It's not some sci-fi thing, most plausible explanation is cost saving measures. Economics drive everything. And Opus 5 and to a lesser extent Fable 5 have clearly been quantised, or they serve different models to different users from various factors, like usage patterns, API vs subs and server load.

Here's a tragically funny but highly accurate satire of Claude's way of speaking these days (triggerwarning): https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1w3rxkj/average...

You say "they're packing lots of signals into fewer words," and sometimes they do, but often they do the opposite of that.

I think the deeper problem is that the models (not just Claude) have a very poor understanding of what their readers already do/don't know.

They belabor obvious points and underexplain jargon, because they don't know what's obvious to you.

The best writing is surprising but inevitable in hindsight. The models don't know what's surprising or what's inevitable in hindsight, making it very difficult to write well.

>ceased bothering with human languages,

Our current AIs would do this now except there is a lot of human pushback in training because of interpretability. Otherwise it's just an emergent behavior that models will encode shorter token strings to complex concepts because it saves tokens/compute when running making the system more efficient (supertokens).

Of course these supertokens or other forms of language compression when you have a different model making sure the system is aligned and reads "red_ball bounce calcium" not realizing it means "grind the humans bones to dust" can be problematic.

It may be like what happened in ResNets using blank space in the image as working memory (because they didn't have any), so they would use non-important parts as a scratchpad.

  > They're packing lots of signal into fewer words 

ChatGpt/Codex is nowhere near the level of sloppy vomit that Claude generates, so that theory doesnt really hold up.

> I'm also thinking of the 2017 novel "Void Star" where AIs who operate everything have long since left ceased bothering with human languages, and it takes a rare sort of direct matrix-gazing savant to be able to try and horse-whisper them into doing or revealing anything they didn't already plan to do.

This sounds irrelevant to LLMs as we know them, which are trained on human language--it's almost their machine code, in a way--while what you're citing, in stark contrast, sounds like machine code in the classic sense.

> the models writing more for themselves and each other than for humans

What does this means?

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

“The load-bearing seam is real” or “Autumn hits different” appear to have absolutely no signal in them.

I support this pet theory, I tried out to reduce the output of Claude models with a "ADHD" prompt that made its responses small and to the point, but I could notice it degraded in performance as the session went on.

So I think what is going on is that because responses are part of the context window, those long/technical responses help it keep focus/attention.

My hunch is that much of the model tuning to make it more effective has been for its internal thinking prose. That leaks out into its external writing prose.

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

I think opus is more noise and less signal actually.

I also find myself correcting it to try to write it for humans and less like for machines, the most annoying part is when they invent phrases for certain mechanisms that are named completely different anywhere in the codebase and known documentation, because it fits better for their purposes without much regards for the rest of the team.

I would not consider Opus output to have a particularly high signal to noise ratio.

I hate Opus 5’s writing style. It’s exhausting. Really hoping there’s a release that fixes it soon as I can feel my sanity slipping away as I try and parse what the hell it’s trying to say.

It could also be a balance between more words being less effort per.. token, etc.

Void Star? I’m reminded more of “Dark Star”, arguing with the ship’s computer. :)

Complicated technical language is an easy way to increase perceived accuracy of tests and reviews by external reviewers. When we are talking about single % differences this has an effect.

Feels like crap to me though.

Finally, someone who's read Void Star! I think it's an unusually prescient book, even for science fiction. I think about it a lot.

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

Not directly, it seems. You can easily test this by pasting some of the more offensive tech bro speak into a fresh claude session, to have it explain what was trying to be said. The new session won't be able to help, so claude doesn't even know what claude says!

I say "not directly", because I think it probably is meaningful, if you include the adjacent hidden thinking as context. From claude's "perspective", with that context, it probably is coherent. I naively suspect this would be hard to train. During tuning, you would probably need to reward good answers interpreted without thinking context visible!

I find Claude to be extremely verbose and yapping a lot without saying much, plus the occasional marketing punchline.

Give me TERSE.

You can just get a style guide or sample and ask it to describe/distill on your Claude.md

If anything Opus prose packs more noise than signal. It's a string of platitudes, jargon, buzzwords, etc.

Less frequent context truncation, too, leading to better scores?

100% convinced their raw output is intended as further inputs, and my workflows have been comfortable and efficient treating it as such. If you really need to read slop, you ask your agent to give it to you in a style that works for you. I can imagine a world where the slop from others doesn’t hit us directly but gets personal mediation.

this sounds very much correct and i don't really mind it for that reason. i do a lot of long-running tasks and i feel like it can really pick up on its own thread easier if i just let it write in its own way.

i am also using Opus for a hobby teaching agent, and the way it writes the prompts is "cringy" but they seem to work well. i almost want it to continue doing this internally, it understands best this way.

It's to increase output tokens. Full stop. You think the developers creating a state-of-the-art AI intelligence can't figure this out?

I blame the decades of 50 character limit commit message

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