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tolugeniusyesterday at 7:52 PM7 repliesview on HN

I've been doubting him myself (his recent articles just hedge on data centers more than anything else) but then I want to ask, are there any valid critics of AI? Not a "code is bad but it'll get better" but actual criticism in the nature of the financing, politics, etc. I think separating AI as a tool and it's capabilities and AI as product that needs to make a profit is helpful, however most people are really hedging in one camp or the other in their takes.


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dgellowyesterday at 8:14 PM

Cal Newport has been interesting on the topic. But it’s also possible to read Zitron and skip his personal opinions and just follow the discussion of financing, that’s what I personally do. I don’t understand why anyone would take the commentary of an internet pundit as a set of predictions to evaluate as gospel

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jonathanpglickyesterday at 9:02 PM

Check out the writing of Baldur Bjarnason. There are a lot of blog posts and a book outlining the risks and tradeoffs.

https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2023/ai-position/ https://illusion.baldurbjarnason.com/

igorkrawyesterday at 10:03 PM

To shamelessly shill a passion project: A friend of mine and I try to be skeptical-but-reasonable on our podcast https://kairos.fm/muckraikers/ we aggregate papers and reporting and try to contextualize it with our own (hopefully useful) perspectives and takes

nomelyesterday at 10:12 PM

> however most people are really hedging in one camp or the other in their takes.

As with most things, most people are somewhere in the middle, as the silent majority. You only see the comments of the strongly aligned, which are also the most emotionally motivated to comment.

The internet is not real life.

kristianpyesterday at 8:27 PM

The data center growth questions he raised have been where I found him interesting. I could never find any other articles to corroborate his predictions though. My question is when will the AI bubble burst?

I didn't know he'd had a long history of mispredicting AI quality and growth of companies like Microsoft and Google.

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jplusequaltyesterday at 11:18 PM

>I think separating AI as a tool and it's capabilities and AI as product that needs to make a profit is helpful, however most people are really hedging in one camp or the other in their takes.

There are a myriad of people out there who have brought up genuine issues that AI presents, or preexisting issues that AI is exacerbating.

This series of articles is perhaps the best long form critique of AI as both a technology and an industry I've encountered [1].

[1] https://aphyr.com/posts/420-the-future-of-everything-is-lies...

simianwordsyesterday at 7:56 PM

Valid criticisms of AI

- safety critics who think AI can take over the world like Yud (I find this the least credible but still valid)

- Bernie type of critics who think AI can cause widespread job losses

- Ruxandra Teslo who thinks AI can remove meaning which I feel is the most serious one [1]

What are not valid

- environmental like emissions and water usage

- AI is useless and it will take the economy with it because it is a bubble

- AI spreads misinformation and causes societal damage

- AI is trained on copyright (are we really on this side of the debate ?!)

[1] https://substack.com/@ruxandrabio/p-213699661

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