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astro1234yesterday at 7:40 PM0 repliesview on HN

Well I think in the absence of convincing pieces of evidence to the contrary you might be right. You’re making an empirical statement but we have already answered it today:

- we get novel, emergent properties and capabilities of these models that were not trained

- they have very clear generalization to out of domain problems

The point is people conflate the end product: a model that can clearly do very novel, useful and interesting things, with the vehicle for getting there which is a series of optimization steps involving next token prediction loss.

You mention limitations; we all clearly know the practical limitations of these models today, but if you look at scaling laws and empirical performance trends (epoch capability index for example) as well as the trajectory over the last couple of years (very stable), the claim that there is some sort of fundamental limitation is now surprisingly the claim that has the burden of proof.

You can claim it may be e.g. finite context. That is fundamentally bad for certain classes of tasks. This was the hypothesis of a lot of lab leadership of urgently trying to anticipate how to get around this bottleneck (still of course lots of work on this) but the surprising thing is it does not appear to be at this point a blocker.