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andriy_kovalyesterday at 9:53 PM4 repliesview on HN

> Goedel Incompleteness -- the proof that the the axiomatic itself cannot be proven, like using ZFC to prove ZFC, but that's another topic.

Godel theorems are for systems with basic arithmetic, zfc doesn't include arithmetic, thus are not object of Godel theorems.


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Almondsetatyesterday at 10:03 PM

If you start with "I'm not a strong expert" maybe you should stop continuing saying wrong stuff. What you just wrote is completely wrong.

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IsTomyesterday at 10:12 PM

> Moreover, Robinson arithmetic can be interpreted in general set theory, a small fragment of ZFC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo%E2%80%93Fraenkel_set_t...

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drdecatoday at 12:54 AM

ZFC has greater consistency strength than PA.

If we take ZFC (or some other set theory) as our meta theory, we can easily see that the axiom of infinity (of ZFC) gives a set of natural numbers (using the von Neumann encoding), which, when equipped with the successor function, is a model of the natural numbers.

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jibaltoday at 12:01 AM

That is wildly wrong.