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roenxitoday at 1:23 AM2 repliesview on HN

> It's just not predicting based on it's training data, but predicting based on RLVR & more, trying to get to the optimal solution ( as much as the solutions CAN be optimal)

It is predicting based on a model. In many cases we can download the model off hugging face. The model is conditioned by all sorts of things. Training data, post-training, coincidence, prompt inputs, runtime data available from whatever means.

> but at least I would still call it a "next token predictor"

We can call any prediction system a next token predictor. If you watch over the shoulder of a human writing a HN comment you are almost certain to see them generating a linear string of tokens. That is what keyboards do. It is impossible to generate text without being equivalent to a next token predictor.


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Alpha3031today at 2:54 AM

Diffusion LMs denoise a canvas which I personally find more interesting.

I don't really disagree that human cognition is essentially a predictive task though, as I understand it, predictive coding and related theories based on the Bayesian brain hypothesis are fairly popular these days (though maybe not clearly dominant over alterative models? IDK I'm not a neuroscientist). I imagine most people would draft a few tokens before refining them like MTP or diffusion though, if we do decide to use LMs as an analogy to human cognition.

scragztoday at 2:54 AM

there are some diffusion text models.

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