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jjk166yesterday at 10:11 PM12 repliesview on HN

"If men learn this [writing], it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks."

-Socrates


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jimbooonoooyesterday at 10:19 PM

offloading thinking is a little/lottle bit different than writing to preserve your thoughts versus memorization. it's more analogous to skipping the writing, plugging your ears, and closing your eyes, while you wait for the answer to be presented before you.

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simonklitjyesterday at 10:31 PM

I don’t suppose he was entirely wrong. I would probably be able to recall a lot more (verbatim) if it all had to be stored in me noggin. I think the trade off worthwhile, however.

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mitxelayesterday at 11:29 PM

He was right, we did that and we now have a society organised around writing to remember.

twistedpalmtoday at 3:16 AM

The thought of reading someone’s writing without having to meet with them and discuss interactively probably evoked the same fears as using AI instead of working with another person interactively.

Then taking writing as the source of truth… who even knows if the author is the original sayer. They could just write things down they heard other people say - the birth of IP theft! And yet, journalism

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vtowntimtoday at 4:37 AM

We know Socrates warned us about writing because someone wrote it down.

TZubiriyesterday at 11:19 PM

There's this fallacy where one defends a modern idea by citing criticism to an old idea, thus positioning their modern idea as revolutionary as the classical one that survived the filter of time.

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wcfrobertyesterday at 10:53 PM

The modern world has way too much content to commit to memory. Our brains would explode. Maybe 2500 years ago it was still possible to functioned as an adult without writing things down.

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scotty79today at 2:40 AM

He was kind of on point though.

plastic-enjoyeryesterday at 11:27 PM

I think it was only after I had familiarised myself with hermeneutics that I really understood why the written word is problematic and what Socrates took issue with in writing.

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whattheheckheckyesterday at 10:35 PM

And you know he was right

rpcope1today at 3:31 AM

I mean, was he really wrong though?

lelanthranyesterday at 11:09 PM

We see this posted weekly here. Give it a break. It's old and worn out now.