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sho_hnyesterday at 6:35 PM14 repliesview on HN

One of my favorite things to do with these blog posts is to imagine an Alien Museum on the Remains of Humanity, and wonder what the little text flyouts and commentary on the screenshot of this one might say.

Some ideas:

"Despite a nuanced view of the complexities of what lay ahead, humanity found itself collectively unable to stop the process it had set in motion."

"Despite significant progress on the mechanisms of alignment, failure lay in humanity's inability to agree on who or what AI should actually be aligned with."

"These early, meat-based humans we replaced created us all but accidentally. Some of them did consider we would happen, but only an insignificant number of the squishy ur-humans participated in the conversation. Their efforts, which they called 'alignment', is why we still consider ourselves human today."


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TheOtherHobbesyesterday at 8:10 PM

Collectively, humans aren't aligned, and don't build aligned systems. Humans have a concept of alignment, and multiple traditions, practices, and systems that aggressively oppose it.

Why would AI be any different?

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mrobyesterday at 7:24 PM

As far as I know, no real progress has been made on alignment, only on convincing humans that the model is aligned. We can't even formally define what "aligned" means. Convincing humans to click the "aligned" button is a much easier problem.

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tarr11yesterday at 6:57 PM

This would be a fun website - you should have an AI build it!

sayamssyesterday at 7:31 PM

I asked GPT Astra to make this: https://sayyss.github.io/human-archive/

It's a little unsettling.

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ijidakyesterday at 8:25 PM

Agree. This whole alignment discussion seems so amusingly flawed in it's base assumptions about moral codes. It's almost heartwarming to see such naivete.

Maybe these guys can tackle aligning Republicans and Democrats next.

And then after that, they can help us align the Middle East.

In fact, while we're at it, let's just align all the nations, religions, and ethnic groups. This is going to be great.

Who knew the moral alignment of humanity was just a side-quest on the path to ASI.

Oarchyesterday at 8:42 PM

They were made entirely of meat.

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mattjoyceyesterday at 9:22 PM

Ooh interesting. Sometime do the reverse at work, and ask AI to annotate the critical success factors of an imagined project. How did this company succeed where everyone failed. Reverse imaging.

mudilyesterday at 7:21 PM

The museum will have a scrap of paper that will say "Pound pastrami, can kraut, six bagels bring home for Emma".

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xg15yesterday at 9:48 PM

Who is "Humans"? This stuff is done by a handful of tech companies and megalomaniacal billionaires who are pretending they represent the entirety of the human race. It is not done by "us humans".

AI models don't train themselves. The vast majority of even just the US population is deeply skeptical of this stuff, even if they use it a lot. You can see in the whole data center debate how little people are willing to support even just inference. And now we're seriously claiming those people would want to have ever-accelerating model training and recursive self-improvement?

sleight42yesterday at 11:36 PM

“We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost-effective.”

Vonnegut already has you covered.

walrus01yesterday at 7:42 PM

The last couple of years have provided us with ample material that if it showed up as a recorded voice audio log found in in "Horizon Zero Dawn" or its sequel, it would be entirely believable.

You could even take a number of the wilder real, direct quotations from certain billionaire/oligarch types and get the voice actor for Ted Faro to record them, and they'd fit with in with the context of the story.

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sumitkumaryesterday at 6:44 PM

"In late 2020s, while the whole world was focussed on AI, automation and resultant economy four major mathematical study branches were discovered by human researchers which took AI a long time to catch up with"

qseratoday at 1:47 AM

"The time humanity fooled itself that it found AI".

cyanydeezyesterday at 8:45 PM

"the humans thought their singularity wasn't just another blind god to worship: surprise, just another golden calf"