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mcvyesterday at 10:35 PM1 replyview on HN

I don't think absolute free speech exists; there are always some limits to speech. Ideally not too many, but there are kinds of speech that I don't think you have any choice but to restrict if you want to have any kind of decent, safe and free society: threats, libel/slander, blackmail, and hate speech. Those are the kind of things that will silence, mislead or manipulate others, and are therefore by themselves a threat to free speech.

But things like criticising governments, questioning political or economic paradigms, or just making fun of powerful people, should always be legal and protected.


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cortesoftyesterday at 10:55 PM

I think this depends on how you define 'hate speech'. Is talking about how billionaires are the scum of the earth hate speech?

I get the idea behind banning hate speech, but it gets really tricky when you try to think how to define and enforce it. Everyone agrees you need to be able to criticize groups that you don't like, so what makes it cross the line to hate speech (besides calls to violence, which would fall under the 'threats' category anyway)?

The worry is always that if you carve out an exception to free speech to protect vulnerable groups from harassment, how do you stop a future government from expanding those groups to include their political allies?

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