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pjc50today at 12:42 PM1 replyview on HN

The idea has been kicking around for a while because it's superficially appealing.

Benefits:

- you can store huge amounts of energy in relatively cheap tanks

- because the + and - storage are physically separate, self discharge can be very low

- those two make it appealing for long term storage

Downsides:

- reagents end up being some combination of expensive (vanadium), poisonous, corrosive, etc. resulting in safety overhead

- requires specialized plumbing. This is very expensive. Ultimately this is the issue with nuclear as well, every joint requires careful inspection

- does not scale down nicely to house sizes

- ultimately likely to get economically lapped by incremental improvements to lithium or sodium battery chemistry

- the charge/discharge cell requires a liquid/liquid membrane separator which can exchange charge; these tend to have lifetime issues.


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K0balttoday at 2:35 PM

I’ve been sending these guys $10 a month for a while now. Thir test cell is chemistry agnostic, and I think they have tried several ferrous solutions. The membrane issue is not that big of a deal it seems if you aren’t trying to miniaturize the device- separator material used in car batteries can be used to good effect and it’s easy to replace if needed.

https://fbrc.dev/