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pdonisyesterday at 9:11 PM2 repliesview on HN

> The Dirac equation and Quantum Electro Dynamics (QED) unify quantum mechanics and special relativity

And more generally the Standard Model, which includes the weak and strong interactions. The SM is a quantum field theory, which, as you say, unifies QM and SR.

> (non-accelerating frames of reference).

No, SR and QFT are not limited to non-accelerating frames. They are limited to small enough regions of spacetime that spacetime curvature is negligible. This experiment is an illustration of that: it compares an accelerated atom with a free-falling atom to show the phase shift between them, and the lab frame in which it is done is accelerated--but the SM and SR work just fine. But the experiment does not show any effects of spacetime curvature.

> the remaining piece is either to extend QED/QCD to accelerating frames of reference

No, that's already done. See above.

> or to quantize general relativity.

That's the big missing piece, yes. We know how to write the QFT of a massless spin-2 field (which is our naive expectation of what a QFT for gravity would look like), and we know that the classical limit of that QFT is the classical GR we have now. But we know that QFT has to be just an effective theory, just like the Standard Model; it can't be the final answer.

> That would likely predict the phase shift observed in this experiment.

The theories we already have (Standard Model + the equivalence principle are all we actually need) are sufficient to predict that. Of course any more comprehensive theory will have to reproduce that prediction, yes.


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rhdunntoday at 7:41 AM

My understanding is that 1) SR doesn't consider acceleration (it's an extension of Galilean/uniform motion), and that 2) when Einstein considered acceleration as well as gravity via the equivalence principle which lead to GR [1]. The key insight of the equivalence principle was that the force from gravity (e.g. standing on the Earth) is no different to the observer in their frame of reference to them being in a room in a rocket accelerating at the same rate as gravity [1], [2].

Thus, if you extend QED/QCD/SM in a similar way (thinking of QED/QCD/SM extensions in terms of acceleration and curved space with the equivalence principle in mind) that may lead to a quantized theory of gravity. -- Sir Roger Penrose has a similar idea/thinking [3].

One of the key challenges with quantizing gravity is in how the terms in the expressions resulting from analyzing the Feynman diagram interactions behave [4] which prevent them being renormalized. For electromagnetism you can formulate the terms using the fine structure constant (via the coulomb potential, ħ, and c) which results in successive terms decreasing in value and thus stabilizing to a single value.

For gravity using Newton's relationship between two masses in a similar way to deriving the fine structure constant you get Gm^2/ħc. Applying E=mc^2 gives GE^2/ħc^5. Using the Planck energy constant gives (E/E_p)^2 for the energy coupling strength. This means that unlike electromagnetism, the successive terms in the Feynman diagram analysis grows exponentially instead of decreasing to 0. Thus, this approach to quantization doesn't work for gravity.

Note: you can still use this to analyze quantum gravitational effects at small energies by evaluating to a given number of terms.

[1] https://www.britannica.com/story/how-albert-einstein-develop...

[2] https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/physics/equivalence-...

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQM0OtxvZ-Y "We need to 'gravitise' quantum mechanics, not quantise gravity | Roger Penrose | Full interview"

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTEPm5d6mrI "Why Quantum Gravity Doesn't Work"

ueckeryesterday at 9:47 PM

Can one really derive classical GR completely from a QFT of a spin-2 field? Or only a linear approximation?