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modelesstoday at 7:20 AM15 repliesview on HN

The major problem with copyright is it's too long. The vast majority of revenue from copyrighted content is made in the first couple of years, and yet we extend copyright 70 years past the author's death! If copyright lasted two years instead, all the problems with it would be much less severe.

Copyright is a monopoly that the government creates on purpose. We need to treat that monopoly power with more respect. We shouldn't be handing out generational monopolies willy-nilly. Copyright is allowed in the Constitution for "limited times" and Congress has ignored that.


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leonidasruptoday at 8:16 AM

" Since 1990, The Walt Disney Company had lobbied for copyright extension. The legislation delayed the entry into the public domain of the earliest Mickey Mouse cartoons, leading detractors to the nickname "The Mickey Mouse Protection Act".

In addition to Disney, California congresswoman Mary Bono (Sonny Bono's widow and Congressional successor), and the estate of composer George Gershwin supported the act. Mary Bono, speaking on the floor of the United States House of Representatives, said:

    Actually, Sonny wanted the term of copyright protection to last forever. I am informed by staff that such a change would violate the Constitution. ... As you know, there is also [then-MPAA president] Jack Valenti's proposal for term to last forever less one day. Perhaps the Committee may look at that next Congress.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act

pmdrtoday at 7:49 AM

Drug patents are much more short-lived and there's arguably more money invested in drug discovery than in, say, writing a fiction novel. IMO copyright should be limited to 20-30 years. Not that LLM labs care anyway.

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braiamptoday at 10:35 AM

It wouldn't have mattered how long copyright is if it wasn't expanded beyond the immediate economic desincentives that it is supposed to address for the most insidious problems it causes. It should be been limited exclusively to the combined right to reproduction and distribution. Yes, that means that I could reproduce the protected work without limit, so long as don't distribute it. Also means that I could distribute the protected work so long as I do only the copies I acquired.

I, like you, through for a while that length was the problem, now I've poked around enough and known about enough actual examples where shorter length wouldn't have prevented the problems that happens with copyright. The content Sony had repeatedly removed from people's libraries was well within copyright term, shorter copyright wouldn't have saved it. What would have saved it is copyright scope that never extended to controlling access to copies already sold

grishkatoday at 9:45 AM

Very much this. And another problem is that the US forced most of the world to adopt similar laws through various cartels, oh, sorry, trade agreements. I distinctly remember when suddenly it was no longer okay to openly sell pirated software in Russia "because we're joining WTO". I still have no idea why we joined it.

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t-writescodetoday at 7:24 AM

Original copyright was 14 years + 14 years - then it was changed to 28.

I'd love to see it brought back down to that again.

philipallstartoday at 8:49 AM

> If copyright lasted two years instead, all the problems with it would be much less severe.

If you spend five years writing a book and then get to sell it for two years, and everyone will just think "I'll get it in two years", you might not like that.

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21asdffdsa12today at 9:49 AM

One should pay a exponential "upholding" fee doubling every year of copyright. People would be very careful with clinging to rights- when they have a yearly break even.

pbhjpbhjtoday at 7:23 AM

Two years is too short because it won't protect from commercial exploition against a creators wishes.

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TulliusCicerotoday at 7:36 AM

Just make it 20 years, like patents.

achempiontoday at 7:39 AM

You're free to release your own work with Creative Commons License (or any other license that shorten the copyright).

> Copyright is a monopoly that the government creates on purpose

Creative work takes a lot of effort and resources (ex: movie production, games, books (hello Knuth)) and can be easily copied/imitated in a digital age.

It you think copyright should be shorter to everyone, then inheriting something valuable shouldn't be a thing as well?

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tomptoday at 8:06 AM

Harry Potter copyright is still being heavily utilized (milked?) 30 years after the first book's release.

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psychoslavetoday at 10:04 AM

Also the issue is that it’s time capped only instead instead of having also a profit capped threshold.

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jongjongtoday at 9:59 AM

I'm still waiting to get my first revenue from copyright content I created 10 years ago. Not everyone gets instant recognition.

aa-jvtoday at 9:32 AM

>Copyright is a monopoly that the government creates on purpose.

Copyright doesn't just protect profit-generation with the property - it also ensures the original material is not altered over time.

Alas, this is a very useful function of copyright and basically ensures that good works remain good, and don't get easily subverted.

In this day and age, though, we've evolved better methods to ensure this alteration of original content doesn't have a negative impact (whether on the profit-making or indeed on behalf of the final user of the material).

Governments could shift from enforcing the copyright monopoly, to providing an open, public, free fingerprinting service - akin to a PKI for all content - which would allow entitites to copy materials, but also allow individuals to verify immutable materials.

>We shouldn't be handing out generational monopolies willy-nilly.

Agreed. We should, though, be making sure the end-date is set for 'verified materials' to a period appropriate for re-verification by human means ...

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cromkatoday at 8:23 AM

> and yet we extend copyright 70

That's an americocentric view. Copyrights are shorter around the world. In fact, iirc, US has some of the longest ones.

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