logoalt Hacker News

larodiyesterday at 8:14 PM4 repliesview on HN

Music theory for the 21st century with notation from several centuries earlier. Hmm.... sorry but tracker's table-like views are much easier. And so are most DAWs gantt-like editors. 100 times easier to comprehend than notation having the same not written in three different ways, and then some.


Replies

dfltryesterday at 8:42 PM

The English language is messy as hell, and yet, here we are using it because it's a shared set of rules and symbols that pretty much everyone who wants to join in on this conversation already knows.

Same with staff notation: If you want to communicate music to other people, learning the slightly clunky but universally-known written language is generally the way to go.

show 2 replies
Liotoday at 7:47 AM

DAWs have been around for a few years now. If you were right and they really were 100 times easier to comprehend people would you not see people using printouts of piano rolls to read from?

What you’re suggesting is actually hundreds of years old from well before the existence of computers or DAWs but still no one is using it.

It turns out that judging the relative length of lines is difficult at speed compared to reading distinct symbols.

Also that 88 note piano rolls are a very space inefficient way of representing music on a page. Even a chromatic stave would be inefficient.

That really matters for people that want to sight read with other musicians and have as much viewable as possible in a compact area.

Finally, standard notation is very rich and evolved, as you’d expect for something in active use for so long. It has extensions for lots of instruments.

When people say notation can’t show X it’s usually that they just don’t know it can.

The only downside is that you have to learn it.

show 1 reply
scarecrowbobtoday at 4:26 AM

It would be really hard for me to improvise a clarinet solo based on the melody line in that kind of notation, which is something I have to do pretty frequently in my old style jazz band using fake books.

I'm sympathetic to that view; I spent all evening writing electronic music by programming it into a sequencer and spent a lot of my early career (starting in about 1999) programming using a piano roll.

But "easier for what purpose"? It'd be really tough to read at a gig off a piano-roll.

It took a long time to become comfortable with the fact that standard notation is mostly a suggestion that doesn't contain the years of context I need to get through a big band gig on double bass... but once I realized that my ability to sight read got good enough that I stopped wishing there were some other kind of notation to read.

show 1 reply
odyssey7yesterday at 8:42 PM

I’m sympathetic to this viewpoint, but most music students in the classroom will be playing instruments or singing rather than working in DAWs.

The instruments, music, and notation all evolved together in a shared tradition that make them well-suited for one another.