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slgtoday at 12:51 AM1 replyview on HN

>Nuking Kyiv and Lviv would probably force Ukraine to surrender.

Or if we want to take nuclear options off the table because Russia values infrastructure, they aren't attacking population centers with bioweapons.

>This is the real constraint. There is still the credible threat of being economically isolated by America, Europe, China and India. (Neither China nor India wants the normalisation of nuclear bombardment normalised. They both have border disputes with nuclear-armed neighbours.)

Ethics enforced by external pressure are still ethics in action. The comment I replied to was basically arguing that we have to do this unethical thing because if we don't our enemies will. Well here is an example of our ostensibly unethical enemy not doing something because of ethical pressure. So why would this pressure work for nuclear weapons and not this new military tech?


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JumpCrisscrosstoday at 1:51 AM

> if we want to take nuclear options off the table because Russia values infrastructure

Putin doesn't care about infrastructure in Kyiv. He wants the natural gas and resources in the east. A nuked rump Ukraine isn't a threat to his power.

> why would this pressure work for nuclear weapons and not this new military tech?

Because the normalisation of nuclear weapons has global consequences in a way conventional warfare does not. The most problematic aspects of Trump's Iran war for India and China are that it raises oil prices.

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