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lern_too_spelyesterday at 10:49 PM1 replyview on HN

> Their legal argument was that it was actually ok for them to grab and store all packets, and that it wasn't a search until they ran an actual search that matched against that stored traffic.

No, they never made that argument because they don't grab and store all packets. Instead, they stored the metadata extracted from these packets (the sender and receiver). This program has ended prior to Snowden's leaks according to his documents, but the telephone pen register collection was still ongoing.

> That was private fiber they had spliced into,

No, this was public Internet, at places like Room 641A. There was nothing in the leaks suggesting they had spliced private fiber.


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monocasatoday at 2:33 AM

> No, they never made that argument because they don't grab and store all packets. Instead, they stored the metadata extracted from these packets (the sender and receiver). This program has ended prior to Snowden's leaks according to his documents, but the telephone pen register collection was still ongoing.

The utah data center is their buffer. And they were storing large amounts of traffic because they had their diffie-helman hack.

> No, this was public Internet, at places like Room 641A. There was nothing in the leaks suggesting they had spliced private fiber.

I've talked to Google engineers about this. They spliced private fiber. Google was smart enough to encrypt anything routed over public internet, but thought that their private WAN was safe until the disclosures.

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