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surajrmalyesterday at 4:28 PM3 repliesview on HN

Having been on the flip side of this divide in the past, there really are a lot of potential safety and reliability problems when using random third party versions of components. While I'm sure there are strong financial incentives to constrain supply, there are also some other strong reasons as well.

Also it's very expensive to actually make an ecosystem compared to a close one. The best way to incentivize manufacturers to do it is by creating a competing product that is open and having that differentiating feature drive sales away. That's generally the approach that works best.


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rcgytoday at 1:34 AM

That's kinda been the experience I've found in the open source diabetes space; several manufacturers have floated making things harder to hack, and we've found that actually showing them how many people use the reverse engineered API and would definitely go to their competitor is a really useful way of disincentivising that sort of anti-consumer behaviour.

stymaaryesterday at 5:47 PM

> there really are a lot of potential safety and reliability problems when using random third party versions of components.

What are you talking about?

If a seller sells you random junk that causes safety issue, they are liable of the damage like the OEM would if their product was bad.

Then, if the seller is in a jurisdiction where you can't hope to sue, then it's either your problem for picking this random seller on their website, or we should make it Amazon's problem to feature this kind of sellers in the first place. Surely the biggest retailer on the planet could afford vetting businesses selling on its platform to protect consumers' safety.

In any case, the fact that Bosch's ecosystem is closed offers no additional protection whatsoever, as shady sellers already sell counterfeit components (that may or may not work at all).

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IshKebabyesterday at 9:55 PM

Safety is just an excuse for control, let's be real.

Also your "best way" doesn't always work - often there are monopolies or oligopolies (e.g. in smartphones).

Though I think for e-bikes that isn't the case, so yeah I would just say don't buy a Bosch ebike - there are plenty of better alternatives out there.

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