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nchmyyesterday at 3:10 PM4 repliesview on HN

The fact that your "argument" rests upon baseless ad hominem, I'm mostly inclined to not even respond.

I'll simply say that if you bothered reading anything (let alone objectively), you'd clearly see that no one is arguing for a blink monoculture. They're arguing for allowing everyone to choose whichever browser and browser engine that you want. Safari included.

The math isnt mathing on that site... And, no, safari is NOT capable of PWAs - which is the primary point of contention (not obscure APIs, though safari generally lags in all of that as well). They deliberately hobble PWAs and make them very difficult to install.

edit: also, your site is just obviously biased/poorly done, because there exist many better comparisons of web features, which show how vastly far behind Safari is, often even of Firefox. This is unsurprising given your chosen style of rhetoric

https://wpt.fyi/

https://webstatus.dev/


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CharlesWyesterday at 3:42 PM

It's not ad hominem since I'm critiquing their position, not their character. Their positions are public and well-documented, which is why it's important to point out the bias of what you linked to.

> And, no, safari is NOT capable of PWAs…

Incorrect, see my link. PWA installation on iOS is simple and idiomatic, and the same as it is for all websites: Share > Add to Home Screen.

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CharlesWyesterday at 4:51 PM

> edit: also, your site is just obviously biased/poorly done

If you can offer recommendations for data-based improvements, I'd sincerely appreciate it! It was made without any concern for Safari "winning", as is probably obvious since it has the lowest score. Methodology described here: https://pwascore.com/about

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wklmyesterday at 3:37 PM

True that. Apple has strong economic incentives to nerf PWAs, and I don't share their privacy concerns about web bluetooth. If anything, forcing users who need bluetooth to install shady third-party browsers creates way more risk. Based on beacio's download numbers, quite a few people would rather have web bluetooth available in their default browser.

mig39yesterday at 4:38 PM

>safari is NOT capable of PWAs... > They deliberately hobble PWAs and make them very difficult to install.

Hit the share button, "Add to Home Screen" is very difficult to install?