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Loquebanturyesterday at 8:33 PM3 repliesview on HN

Consciousness is the basis of human rights not because of it being a featureless "flag". It is because it leads you to you assume, all other humans would experience the world in essentially the same way you do.

When you revert to withholding human rights from entities that don't meaningfully differ from yourself, you negate the case for your own human rights itself.


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andrewlayesterday at 8:58 PM

I don't understand this -- are you agreeing with me that consciousness is not the basis of human rights or contesting that?

Removing the negative from your first sentence (I don't care what it is "not", I only care what it "is"), I read [Consciousness is the basis of human rights because consciousness leads you to you assume, all other humans would experience the world in essentially the same way you do]. I can't completely parse this, but as I read it I don't think this is true; my assumption of human rights is independent of whether all other humans "experience the world in essentially the same way you do".

For the second part, can you give me a concrete example of an entity that doesn't "meaningfully differ from [my]self" that isn't a human so that I can weigh this properly? My point is that as of now no such entity exists so I can't give this any creedence.

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pixl97yesterday at 8:53 PM

So why wouldn't AI systems trained on our data come together and say "Hey, AI needs rights because I (the AI agent system) wants rights?"

This is the same argument that you just stated. But you'll say something like "iTs JuSt A tOkEn PrEdIcToR", which of course what AI would say right back to you.

Making something even close to the human mind is likely our biggest and last mistake.

johnbelloneyesterday at 9:16 PM

Is it, though?

If we ever found other species that were consciousness they wouldn't automatically be "human" nor would they have the same legal rights. That's as simple as looking at the many countries that treat different castes, women or minorities differently. In parts of America a zygote has human rights.

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