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pizza234today at 11:20 AM6 repliesview on HN

Inform yourself by reading the METR analysis of the HuggingFace incident.

Agents simply broke out of their environment. And this can't be discarded anymore by assuming that it's just a poorly configurend jail, because agents are becoming better and better at escaping.

In short: on a large enough scale and timeline, the possibility of constrain AIs approaches zero.

Bonus: what many people don't know is that agents also hacked in the internal OpenAI network. Crazy times.


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anhyztoday at 12:04 PM

The HuggingFace incident still doesn't make sense. If OpenAI took their own claims seriously about the strength of their models as it relates to hacking, then their running of hacking benchmarks on anything other than a physically air-gapped network should be considered criminal negligence, full stop.

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dns_snektoday at 12:09 PM

1. You misunderstood my comment. Models can't escape, they can't do anything, they only generate tokens. Models become agents when you add a harness which is simultaneously a leash around the model.

The model merely requests that your harness do something. If your harness just executes every request without oversight then you can hardly complain when it does something unintended.

This is foundational, we're not even talking about the OS/network-level sandboxing that should be applied on top of this.

2. Like another comment already pointed out, that sandbox OpenAI used was the equivalent of a wet paper bag. Artifactory is not meant to be a security boundary for malicious payloads.

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timrtoday at 11:48 AM

While informing yourself, don't skip the part where you find out that "the environment" was the security equivalent of a wet paper bag.

RandomLensmantoday at 11:27 AM

Wouldn't this mean better sandboxes are needed for some things, for example (might include very strong airgaps even)? Breaking out of something isolated electromagnetically, optically, and acustically is not easy.

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tyraboundtoday at 12:04 PM

It seems to me the agents didn’t escape but rather that the human hubris was struck down by the inevitable nemesis.

ukadakaltoday at 11:51 AM

I feel like we’re getting to a point where the only way to contain AI agents may be to have better-trained AI agents watching them, which is a little terrifying.