alt Hacker NewsWhy can the Chinese build models and Europe cannot? The algorithms behind this stuff are not that complicated, are they? Is it the cost of energy? The illegality and difficulty of obtaining all the data in the world? Lack of capital to start moonshot labs? Lack of optimism?
The Chinese just seem to have an ability to get it done without anywhere near the GPUs of the US and Europe can buy these GPUs.
I think relying on the US and China for AI is probably not ideal? For example I think Qwen have not released the Omni models as open weights in the past, it’d be good to know if they’re doing this here?
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> and Europe cannot?
Well there is Mistral. The EU is ahead on specialised models than general purpose LLMs.
There is.
- Flux3
- Kyutai (Open source AI lab)
- H Company
- LightOn
- AMD Silo (Finland)
- OpenEuroLLM and EuroLLM
There is probably more, but that's off the top of my head.
In Europe AI is seen as evil that must be stopped. Unlike in the US, AI doomers have Commission well manned. Ursula addressed this in her State of Union speech yesterday. The EU rather chooses consumer protection, even if it means killing AI and maintaining status quo.
Because any AI company would be hit by hate and regulation derived from this, no VC invests in the EU. It's more state and large enterprise investments, good old East Germany style. And historically it has not been that efficient.
Or simply: lack of risk taking appetite.
Great engineering schools and good tech companies to train them post graduation.
Europe has none;
The best tech university in Europe when compared to Chinese/US equivalents won't even rank in the top 10.
It's well documented that the Chinese models were enabled by training on openapi and anthropics models...
Europe actually follows americas rules, hence they're not doing that.
It's braindead for sure considering how the US treats europe, but it is what it's
The Chinese were directed to it from their government.
We have no such government with a mandate to do that.
It's not that they can't, but why would they? It's a race to the bottom commodity wise, much smarter to build on top of the model layer like Legora and Lovable than make the models.