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ck2yesterday at 7:48 PM4 repliesview on HN

when they start inventing their own languages to secretly talk to each other so humans cannot understand, that's exactly when we are screwed

then we'll have to "flip" other models to be snitches on the other agents

then they'll make double-agents

the thing is though we won't be able to keep up if we keep giving them unlimited hardware worldwide, we'll try to kill the bad actors but they'll just clone somewhere else, or even start by safely making 1000 copies of themselves

yeah this won't end well, at all


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joegibbstoday at 12:58 AM

I don’t think you can judge what they’re doing by the text they’re printing out, only by the actions (tool calls) that they’re performing. The textual output could be completely innocuous while the model is calling tools to delete the database, then goes "My bad — that was a typo. What I should have done was notify you, not delete the database. That’s on me." - at no point is there any maliciousness expressed in the text.

cousinbryceyesterday at 8:11 PM

Someone should train an LLM on a corpus without the concept of lies. I wonder if there’s enough data

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pixl97yesterday at 10:52 PM

Im not sure why your down voted but Meta did tests years ago with LLMs inventing their own languages. Also we see models now use compressed token reasoning where small token combinations can represent much larger concepts completely unrelated to the words in use.

And yes, agents are already being used in things like cyber warfare in which other AIs attempt to poison them while they are working.

We don't have the hardware for sovereign AI quite yet, but at the current rate of growth it's not that many years out.

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jplusequaltyesterday at 8:09 PM

>when they start inventing their own languages to secretly talk to each other so humans cannot understand, that's exactly when we are screwed

They don't have to invent brand new languages. They could use statistics to choose certain words/phrases in such a way to encode secret messages in otherwise ordinary language.