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bananaflagtoday at 8:11 PM3 repliesview on HN

> I knew mathematicians were a smart bunch, but honestly, the events of the past few weeks have really given me a new level of respect for them.

As a mathematician, I am a bit disappointed by my (admittedly illustrious) colleagues.

I get the need to take it slowly (and I am a quite impatient person, so I shouldn't get to decide stuff like this), but everything said feels a bit too sour grapes for my taste.

Ok, maybe AI did not solve the field (I believe it will, btw), maybe there is a need for human "understanding", but:

1) They don't seem to consider even the possibility (not the certainty) that they might be wrong, that math as we know it is gone, and we cannot "adapt"

2) They seem to have been oblivious all these years about AI eventually reaching this point (at least I personally wasn't, I predicted this stage back in 2018)


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traestoday at 8:28 PM

Regarding 1, it's not clear what you want them to actually do. Would you rather they just gave up, rolled over and died instead of at least trying to rescue their field? What is to be gained from considering this?

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Davidzhengtoday at 10:26 PM

I think I'm mostly on your side (also I believed early it would get here), but what does it mean to "solve the field"? I'm pretty much as bullish as you get on AI but I'm sure I can come up with questions AI cannot solve. I think the space of problems in math is so large and the distribution of proof lengths so heavy-tailed, there's probably no way without dyson-sphereing the sun to solve all easy to state problems.

7ahGatoday at 9:19 PM

As a Nobel Prize winner, I am surprised that you have not noticed how Tao and Gowers were steering everyone in the AI direction for years and now do damage control by nudging everyone to either hypothetical open models paid for by industry or the EU or sitting in a committee that "advises" OpenAI.

No one is saying "Perelman and Wiles didn't need that silly AI and N-S was more of a counterexample". Most people imagine the sky is falling.

What if OpenAI is stalling because they don't have 100 additional unpublished proofs as claimed?

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