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dinfinityyesterday at 10:48 PM1 replyview on HN

> I take him at his word.

Your interpretation of his words is lacking.

> It had to do with people believing deep state conspiracy theories like Snowden did and espoused.

1. Trump's rise was and is mostly about nativism, foreigners and money. It always is with demagogues.

2. "Deep state" is an incredibly badly defined term due to being used for almost anything the government does. Claiming its significance here just sets up a fruitless semantic discussion in which you can claim almost anything about whether it applies.


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lern_too_spelyesterday at 11:37 PM

> Your interpretation of his words is lacking.

I'm willing to entertain this idea. Gellman says that Snowden explicitly asked him to publish the full PRISM slide deck within 72 hours as his first request. What is the correct interpretation of Snowden's words? Do you believe he cared about targeted surveillance of non-Americans enough to effectively renounce his citizenship and potentially become subject to that surveillance?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2020/05/11/2013-edwa...

> 1. Trump's rise was and is mostly [emphasis added] about nativism, foreigners and money. It always is with demagogues.

Then we agree. You originally said it had "nothing" to do with deep state conspiracy theories. I said that deep state conspiracy theories "helped lead" to Trump.

> 2. "Deep state" is an incredibly badly defined term due to being used for almost anything the government does.

As Trump has done. He specifically mentioned the security apparatus in his conspiracy theories. People blamed Obama for domestic spying that wasn't happening because they believed Snowden's nonsensical description of PRISM.

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