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pavo-etcyesterday at 11:33 PM8 repliesview on HN

I'm not convinced spymark is better than just "invisible watermarks", spymark to my ears sounds designed to be sound very negative when invisible watermarks are not always negative, e.g. the counterfeit bank note example.

Tech like SynthID I see a net positive especially since it doesn't degrade text quality. I dream about a browser extension running at all times that makes text more translucent based on the confidence of LLM writing[0].

This article's suggestion of using it to unmask whistleblowers is very interesting and not something I'd thought about though. Still not convinced that spymark is a better name though.

[0]: Sean Goedecke's Deckard is close but it would rather invisible than bright red https://www.seangoedecke.com/deckard/


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autoexectoday at 12:37 AM

> spymark to my ears sounds designed to be sound very negative when invisible watermarks are not always negative, e.g. the counterfeit bank note example.

The article calls out watermarks intended to deter counterfeiting as explicitly being not spymarks. Watermarks can tell you about the items marked, not about the person using/creating it.

lukewarm707yesterday at 11:34 PM

the spymark tracks you. it is negative.

account42today at 8:17 AM

> I'm not convinced spymark is better than just "invisible watermarks", spymark to my ears sounds designed to be sound very negative when invisible watermarks are not always negative, e.g. the counterfeit bank note example.

Bank notes are mainly protected by things that are hard to create without very specialized machines. You can't rely on anything hidden staying unknown and once you know a steganography scheme you can also control it.

> Tech like SynthID I see a net positive especially since it doesn't degrade text quality. I dream about a browser extension running at all times that makes text more translucent based on the confidence of LLM writing[0].

False confidence is a lot worse than no confidence. If such an extension ever becomes popular, people will take anything not marked as AI as gospel.

pixl97yesterday at 11:56 PM

These spy marks are a great way to teach AI how to create a hidden communication channel in plain sight.

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Ygg2today at 1:48 AM

It's the difference between watermark or marked bills.

One is proof of authenticity, other is tracking tool.

mpalmertoday at 1:02 PM

    I'm not convinced spymark is better than just "invisible watermarks", spymark to my ears sounds designed to be sound very negative when invisible watermarks are not always negative, e.g. the counterfeit bank note example.
The article spent quite a bit of energy explaining why the word choice, seems like you're just ignoring that? Also, bank note watermarks are not invisible. Watermarks are not invisible, as the article (again) took pains to explain.

    Tech like SynthID I see a net positive especially since it doesn't degrade text quality.
It absolutely does. It constrains high-entropy word choice so it can "store" other things in your text. Your text actually has information removed from it.

    I dream about a browser extension running at all times that makes text more translucent based on the confidence of LLM writing.
Sounds very much not worth the anti-consumer, anti-privacy aspects which (again) the article explains.
shevy-javatoday at 12:11 AM

I think they are always negative. Including on bank notes.

I wonder if we could have a real, open and direct democracy. All the models we have right now work via indirect clowns. Then again, looking at how some people vote, perhaps direct democracy can only work if people are clever.

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rizoniotoday at 12:24 AM

"tracking watermark" seems clearer to me than "spymark"

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