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jmbwelltoday at 8:41 PM3 repliesview on HN

It’s such a product of “Ooh! Markup languages! What can we use a markup language to solve!” When authentication is just not a document or data stream that needs marked-up.

The article rightly connects this to XML, which was indeed the hammer to everything’s nail at the time

I think we aren’t done with this problem yet, though. OIDC makes a lot of assumptions in service to Google and others. And tailscale as mentioned, despite “holding the line,” already reveals the cracks when things like GitHub accounts have to be treated differently from others.

What we are missing is a provider-independent way to do this. I should be able to create an account and log in just about anywhere using a backend I control. It can be done, but not with what we have today


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blm126today at 9:35 PM

OpenID Connect actually has all the machinery needed to support federated login as part of its dynamic discovery and dynamic registration specifications. The issue is that absolutely no one uses them or implements them.

Smaller tech companies don't want federated login to happen. They are, as a rule, far to happy to rely on the SSO tax to up-sell enterprise customers. The major authentication companies don't want federated login to happy because it invites more competitors and threatens their absurd margins.

Until someone manages to solve the business side, no amount of improved technology will change a thing. I'm pretty sure the few small interoperability gaps OpenID Connect has could be corrected in a matter of months if the stakeholders actually cared.

matrsstoday at 10:03 PM

> I should be able to create an account and log in just about anywhere using a backend I control. It can be done, but not with what we have today

IndieAuth exists, it's just not widely supported.

martijnvdstoday at 9:02 PM

That's what the original OpenID (from back in the LiveJournal days) was supposed to be right?

"Host your own identity"