No one travels with babies for fun, visiting my terminally Ill mother over the several years of her decline was indeed a nightmare with young children, we would not have put ourselves through that otherwise.

It's incredible how many people are willing to treat young children as second class citizens because they don't want to be inconvenienced.

We have child-free hotels, child-free restaurantes, maybe now child-free airplanes...what's next, child-free cities?

> Where is SO important that you need to take a baby with you on a plane?

I would guess that in most cases, someone is flying with an infant because they are going somewhere important and traveling with their infant was the best option available to them.

Traveling by air (or at all) with an infant is not fun and I can’t imagine that ever being anyone’s first choice.

So when you see frazzled parents at the airport with their young children, assume the best and be kind.

I flew with my six month old a while back with no issues. Gave her a bottle on both the ascent and the descent so her ears would pop and that worked perfectly.

She slept like a baby for most of the 5 hour flight and only cried once for maybe 60 seconds when she got hungry and I had to prep a bottle.

It definitely didn't seem like "babies experience a lot of pain" holds true at all if you plan for it

If parents can't take babies on planes, they'll tend to drive instead, which is much more dangerous overall.

Because my elderly parents want to see their grandchild but are too old to fly

But that’s it: we don’t do other flights with the kids

Good thing you spawned into the world as a fully formed adult and never had to be a burden on society, unlike all these other _kids_ and their greedy parents.

Can you truly not think of a long list of things that are important enough and far enough away that it makes sense to take a baby on a plane? I could start writing you a list, but it seems like you should probably think about it for more than two seconds first.

Do you seriously think that parents are flying with infants for the lolz? The vast majority are not. It’s a major operation for both child and parents.

“What is so important that you need to take a baby on a plane” and “Have you thought about driving instead?” have got to be some of the most clueless and unempathic takes I’ve ever read. Ironic considering that’s what you’re accusing parents of.

What is so important that you need to get on a plane?

See this is what has bugged me so much about how common anti-natalism has become. It has become diluted but present everywhere.

Children are a part of our society. They are a part of your community. They are going to be around you, they are going to be where you don’t want them to be, they are just going to be present in general. And this can’t possibly be a safety argument, as planes I believe are the safest mode of transportation. If you’re worried about safety, then kids should never get in cars, which is also completely unfeasible.

So if it’s not about safety, then what is this really about?