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george_max • today at 6:59 PM • 6 replies • view on HN

Has anyone actually seen better or the same results with Laya compared to Jev? From my experience, Laya performs significantly worse. It's less confident and often makes wrong decisions with more complex queries.


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jonmagic • today at 7:42 PM

I've been following jevbench twice a day for the past week and that's been a lot of fun. Latest update:

Rank System Score Public / sealed accuracy Evidence

1 decider-4b v2 64.13 83.5% / 34.7% Evaluator-run, offline

2 Jev 1.13 63.29 86.6% / 36.7% Evaluator-run API

3 JevK5 v0.2 62.04 85.3% / 33.1% Evaluator-run

4 Cygnet 12B 61.76 87.9% / 33.8% Evaluator-run, offline

5 Hopper 59.43 82.3% / 34.1% Evaluator-run

28 Kev 4B 36.14 66.2% / 22.4% Evaluator-run

41 Laya 421M 30.25 58.4% / 30.8% Evaluator-run

https://benchmarkheaven.com/jev-models

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scronkfinkle • today at 7:05 PM

Yes. JEV generalizes better because they probably have an enormous corpus and trained on it for a long time. Laya's out of the box model is much weaker. However, in the age of LLM's it's incredibly easy and cheap to generate large datasets to fine tune laya for your task, and the training loop is pretty quick and cheap too.

It's so easy that I question why I would ever pay for JEV when eventually I'll have done enough random things that I will also have a large corpus and likely a general model as well.

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cobanov • today at 7:05 PM

Developer here. You're right, Laya is a lot weaker than Jev, especially on harder queries. It's a small model, so it's fast, but that's the trade-off. The open models that get close to Jev are much bigger, and running those is what I'm working on next.

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jasonjmcghee • today at 9:47 PM

In my experience it's not close and the benchmarks I've seen don't reflect my experience at all.

But I'm guessing people will find the right training regime and data mix soon to close the gap.

But big things I see are instability and inaccuracy - like pick a random problem.

verdverm • today at 8:06 PM

one day, perhaps people will click through to the laya author's arxiv paper content and the why may become clearer, you won't have to read it, a skim will suffice

iamflimflam1 • today at 7:27 PM

Nothing yet. Unfortunately it sometimes feels like our industry has been overrun by grifters and chancers.

I’m sure this has been a gradual and long decline. Maybe it even started with the dot com boom and accelerated with crypto. With AI it seems to have got worse.