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merelydev • yesterday at 3:33 PM • 1 reply • view on HN

> If this were true then it would be impossible for these models to ever exceed the top human level as there would exist no training data that allows them to exceed the top human level.

Of course AI exceeds humans at chess, I never denied that. I am saying because chess is primarily a human vs human game, humans will always be learning and playing chess, their games will add to the chess knowledge base, AI also adds to this knowledge base. But programming is not primarily a human vs human activity so there is a risk programmers will forget how to code and all software will be stuck in 2022 because of the training data, this stifles innovation.


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jpleyden98 • yesterday at 4:42 PM

> I am saying because chess is primarily a human vs human game, humans will always be learning and playing chess, their games will add to the chess knowledge base

I guess I'm contesting that idea you are putting forward that the data from the games these humans are playing, which are at a vastly lower level that the top AIs are meaningfully important for helping the AIs to improve at the top level.

Would more people learning their times tables be helpful for top mathematicians in their fields to get better at the frontier of maths? Probably not right. Same applies here.

Would AIs advance at the same rate for the top level of chess in a world where humans completely stopped playing chess vs the world we have today. I would say they would as the human level data is of limited value to the frontier which is dominated by AI and AI game data, you are claiming that it does.

> But programming is not primarily a human vs human activity so there is a risk programmers will forget how to code and all software will be stuck in 2022 because of the training data, this stifles innovation.

Does it? Or will AI be able to run its own experiments and find better/more efficient abstractions that propagate because they are better and this will find its way into training data for future AI.

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