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Almondsetat • yesterday at 10:59 PM • 14 replies • view on HN

The incredible and futuristic technologies the US managed to deploy decades before the competition reminds me of the story of how the NRO gifted NASA a couple of their old decommissioned satellites in 2012 and they turned out to be basically upgraded Hubble telescopes pointed at earth. The US from the 90s to the 2000s had multiple Hubble-level telescopes just for spying while NASA was fighting for scraps to study the entire cosmos.


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monocasa • today at 12:11 AM

Way longer than that. The first KH-11 satellites that Hubble shares its design with were in orbit in the late 1970s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11_KENNEN

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walrus01 • yesterday at 11:55 PM

We see a few bits and pieces released to the public of optical/infrared wavelength mirrors and hubble-like hardware from IMINT systems. One thing that's never really been shown to the public, not even 50 year old 1970s era stuff, are photos/examples of the SIGINT systems that the NSA likely has in orbit. Or good details of other things that also fall within the RF engineering domain like synthetic aperture radar satellites to monitor naval activity, construction activity like digging bunkers, etc.

If you think the public DEM/DSM datasets like the ASTER GDER v3 or SRTM GL1 V3 are pretty good, I would bet that the DoD has things far more accurate than those as digital models of the surface and built environment of the earth's surface.

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someonebaggy • yesterday at 11:58 PM

There's always infinite resources available to defend and expand powerful people's power.

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reacharavindh • today at 8:41 AM

The thing that always leaves me flabbergasted when I read such fascinating facts of such great technological power held by the US is that they seem to always waste it.... :-(

If they had such "eyes" on our earth, couldn't they have clearly spotted those Methane emissions from Turkmenistan well earlier than the UN MARS program did? or many "beneficial" to humanity things I cannot even think of right away.

Even militarily... US wanted to avoid the Hormuz Strait closure.. I think that was a clear enough military goal. Could nt they spot where the mines are, and where the attacking positions are from their mighty tech instead of this prolonged war? As in, the strikes they did already - couldnt they have taken out all attacking capacity right away if they had such powerful tech eyes?

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laiwjetljawerl • today at 4:16 PM

That's where the new Roman Space Telescope came from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace_Roman_Space_Telesc...

MeteorMarc • today at 1:00 PM

Maybe that is the reason the initial Hubble did not have focus on infinity? Ok, very speculative, but the link comes to mind immediately.

corvad • yesterday at 11:08 PM

I mean NASA's budget was/is minuscule in comparison to defense spending so I am not surprised.

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toomuchtodo • yesterday at 11:10 PM

One of the NRO optical imaging system gifts (from the canceled NRO Future Imagery Architecture reconnaissance satellite program) is in the recently launched Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope.

https://science.nasa.gov/mission/roman-space-telescope/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace_Roman_Space_Telesc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_National_Reconnaissance_O...

mmooss • today at 4:37 AM

> technologies the US managed to deploy decades before the competition

We don't know that. The competition (USSR/Russia) also keeps secrets, and not being a free society, has much less reason to publish them later.

kevin_thibedeau • today at 12:12 AM

They gifted solely the mirrors.

adolph • today at 5:18 PM

I can't find great sources for the story, but I saw a claim that the NRO purchased NeXT stations through backchannels in a quantity that was financially significant for NeXT's survival.

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ironqcold • yesterday at 11:05 PM

I didn't know about this, that's interesting

aaron695 • today at 1:29 AM

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shevy-java • yesterday at 11:05 PM

I am not entirely convinced. Was not Hubble damaged and got an upgrade lateron? I mean it could be possible that NASA is starved, but the repair involved other countries too, and I don't think the USA could keep mega-super-duper technology hidden from others in the long run. And NASA often wants more money - just take the whole search for life on planets. This is so pointless - life exists already here. What is the addiction to want to find life outside of the planet? Other than, of course, getting more money, which is understandable, but it doesn't answer the question. (Not that I am against better technology; the rationale just does not convince me at all here.)

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