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Gareth321 • yesterday at 8:41 AM • 5 replies • view on HN

I am in two opposed minds on this. On the one hand, you're correct. Their job will be made redundant in a couple of years. Some senior people might be retained to orchestrate all the agents, but eventually they will also be replaced. And it's coming for all white collar jobs, not just coders. That's bad.

On the other hand, unlimited intelligence democratises products and services in a revolutionary way. Everyone will be able to do whatever they like in digital space for basically free. No more purchasing software. Make any app/company/website/blog/movie/show/game/forum you can think of. This will quickly bleed into the physical space, with real-world products and services becoming logarithmically cheaper. A true future of abundance.

The big problem is going to be our social and economic transition. Are we going to wait until unemployment is that 10% before we act? 20%? How bad are we going to allow things to become before we implement universal high income? I say universal high income because white collar workers are not going to accept being relegated to an income of $1000/month forever. To achieve universal high income requires eye-watering taxes on the major benefactors of our new economy. They won't accept that without a fight, and it our current fractured political climate, what would it take for everyone to agree on a unified direction?


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wg0 • yesterday at 9:50 AM

I am confused about the whole situation let me explain.

It seems like all software will get replaced it by local versions. Suppose I am an individual or a business that was using a SaaS product (such as JIRA).

Let's be generous and imagine that the monthly payout was $20/month for that software (usually for businesses, it is much higher) and one fine morning I login and point a multi modal AI agent to it and clone the whole thing for my local use in let's say 3 months worth of $20/month AI subscription.

Now what? Gradually, that software company would go out of business but that user won't be subscribing forever either to AI inference service and the only constant customer of AI inference would have been the software company which went out of business so... No software company, no AI inference business either?

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willis936 • yesterday at 10:54 AM

The name "universal high income" should be tipping you off to the issue with it. If money has less importance then what tools will individuals have to change their station? How will anyone other than the permanently entrenched rulers affect change? We don't have a good system now, but it seems like we're hell bent on making it even worse.

Edit: UBI being pushed by asset owners is a step towards Blade Runner rather than Star Trek.

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nozzlegear • yesterday at 3:16 PM

> On the other hand, unlimited intelligence democratises products and services in a revolutionary way. Everyone will be able to do whatever they like in digital space for basically free. No more purchasing software. Make any app/company/website/blog/movie/show/game/forum you can think of. This will quickly bleed into the physical space, with real-world products and services becoming logarithmically cheaper. A true future of abundance.

This isn't happening yet, SaaS is only growing more in the era of AI. Anecdotally, my own small SaaS has only grown instead of shrunk as well.

https://www.stripeeconomics.com/p/the-saaspocalypse-was-more...

atombender • yesterday at 1:10 PM

I'd like to see AI "democratize" the world, but I have a much more pessimistic outlook. One thing we see with technological revolutions is that (once the dust settles) they provide general improvements for all strata of societies. But as some boundaries are erased, others are magnified a hundredfold wherever robber barons can stake an exclusive claim.

If genuine AGI is developed, its everyday conveniences may continue to be shared with the common masses, but the powers that own the technology and the data centers will have no incentive to give everyone access equal to superintelligence, and that includes giving governments the same access.

Every stage of the industrial age has seen powerful, wealthy people/groups (whether you call them oligarchs or industrialists or whatever) become able to exert disproportionate power over the state, and we're already in a place where this is happening. Humans have shown time and again that once you have some resource (whether it be oil, gold, or data centers), someone will want to own all of it, and that they're always willing fight for that ownership, and this fight rarely benefits ordinary humans like us.

Developed countries have been enjoying an unusually long peace time thanks to the wonders of capitalism and the emergence of stable, progressive capitalist-friendly democracies. The road to utopian basic income and limitless leisure is going to be fraught with riots and violence, and make Marx suddenly utterly relevant once again, because there's too much at stake, and too stark a division between the haves and the have-nots.

The alternative timeline is one where governments get together to regulate AI into some kind of international agreement under the UN. That requires taking power away from the private corporations; historically, that's been a tough sell.

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higeorge13 • yesterday at 1:09 PM

I believe that the middle ground for this is to keep all these jobs orchestrating agents or whatever the AI future invents for us, but with lower wages. The golden era of dev wages will be gone. There is no incentive for companies paying people 100-500k-1m to write prompts and debug agents, independent of their level.

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