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nradov • yesterday at 5:40 AM • 4 replies • view on HN

There's nothing special about frontier LLM companies. Singling them out for special financial restrictions is a stupid idea based on nothing but your own irrational and uninformed prejudices. No actual harm has been demonstrated. No one has died.


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digitaltrees • yesterday at 4:34 PM

Your personal attacks cheapen the discourse. Stop. My opinion is neither irrational nor prejudged and most certainly not uninformed.

I have articulated my logic up and down this thread with specific premises and detailed explanations on why the conclusions follow from them. You may not agree but you don’t have justification to say they are irrational.

I am singling out the frontier labs because they have created a singularly unique technology that presents potential and actual damage that is…singular. They have disclosed hacking through coordinated autonomous agents that would have sent human hackers to jail but will not result in any similar result because the law isn’t presently able to apply to agents or the labs.

My arguments are not prejudice, I have thought deeply about this as I have personally developed multiple AI deployments in a variety of settings. I studied philosophy, cognitive science in undergrad, and grad school and have a law degree. I have been a CTO, CPO and CEO for startups and national health companies. I personal build AI agents that handle thousands of daily conversations with health care workers and patients, I built an agentic IDE for our dev team with a custom harness capable of self defining tools and calling them in a custom cloud Linux environment, I personally build our internal hardware inference stack and orchestration API. And I have personally sponsored academic research through my foundation with researchers are Duke madlab, northwestern, UCF, CM and case western on a range of topics such as perception of empathy and its effects on humans in healthcare, guardrail design for ethical deployment and alignment, moral reasoning ability, etc. I am not a doomer or an accelationist. I am responding specifically to current evidence of how the models presently work and how the corporate governance of the Labs is effectuating their power and vision.

reverius42 • yesterday at 7:17 AM

We'll see if this comment ages well.

simoncion • yesterday at 7:56 AM

> There's nothing special about frontier LLM companies.

On the one hand, yes, they're companies like any other.

On the other hand, I can count on one hand the number of companies that have publicly declared «We're working on WMDs [0], we don't think we are capable of working on them safely, and we refuse to stop working on them. However, if we get special legal and regulatory treatment we'll be quite happy to put in the stop work order.».

So, yeah, there are some special things about the major LLM manufacturers and none of them are good.

[0] Anything that has a 10% chance of suddenly destroying all of humanity is a WMD.

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digitaltrees • yesterday at 4:37 PM

Except that most people claim AI is the most profound tech in human history and will reorganize the entirety of society. If it is that profound singling them out is a natural response to this unique characteristic.

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