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lurk2 • yesterday at 8:48 PM • 1 reply • view on HN

> A wildly grotesque framing you engage in there.

This is an extremely boring way to engage with others.

> There is a thing called human dignity and it involves granting everybody the basic right of dignified sustenance.

I think I am still obligated to throw you the life vest even if I don’t personally like you, but if after the fact you then scream at me that I didn’t do enough, I think you’ve committed a transgression. Screaming that no one is doing enough is by and large all that comes out of these circles and why they ended up fading into irrelevance. People were discussing this issue during the Obama years; you haven’t brought anything new to the discussion.

> The author details how you yourself are dependent on that society you denigrate here.

I’m not sure where you got the idea that I was arguing to the contrary. My premise was that the word independent is semantically meaningful and that the article is making an attempt to undermine that meaning in order to further an agenda. I don’t disagree that e.g. someone who buys their food at a grocery store is dependent on the logistics system in a way that someone who is dependent upon having an oxygen tank delivered is dependent on others, but like I said, this is a spectrum based on the ability of the dependent to make substitutions between the person or thing they are dependent upon. It still makes semantic sense to say that so-and-so is independent of his father, but the children of so-and-so are dependent upon their father, even if so-and-so’s existence is ontologically dependent upon the existence of his father.


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Loquebantur • yesterday at 11:53 PM

Yes, it is.

You appear to over-generalize personal experiences beyond their domain of applicability. Then you ignore the crucial points I made, pretending to know it all already, contradicting the absence of rational arguments on your part.

Because you do. You take your own vague "meaning" (that you never specify sufficiently) and lament how it's not being adhered to by others.

The meanings of words are context-dependent. You ignore that here. Dependency in particular has many different meanings. Nobody "denies" you the specific ones you use there.

Your own agenda, that you argue in favor of, is somehow invisible to you? It contradicts the essence of the article, clearly the source of your antagonism here.

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