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juliusjh • yesterday at 12:34 PM • 1 reply • view on HN

I've been mostly reading here but created an account to disagree with this statement: The smartest people I know were always amazing at explaining. This was true for me as undergrad and graduate student where the smartest peers and the most renowned professor were always also the best at explaining, and it is true now at research level in a related field. When I am not sure if I really understood something to the core, I try to find a colleague who knows very little about it; if they understand my explanation well, that's a good sign.

Those who really understand a topic are usually also able (and great at) explaining it in very clear and "simple" terms. This may be part of my personal bias; I see theory builders as those who advance the field the most, and these are usually also amazing at explaining it. On the other hand, those who mostly "grind" through problems (approach them as complicated puzzles) with effort/time were often bad at explaining.

I observed the same for programming: the "architects" usually explain very well, the "debuggers" often don't. LLMs very much remind of the grind/puzzle approach. It does makes sense that RLVR, which in my understanding enables a lot of these results, would lead to a more mechanical approach.

Of course, I can't make any predictions on whether it will stay that way. But I strongly suspect that we need different ways of training for LLMs to write better text and explain better (I suspect the vagueness of LLM language is the result of RLHF as vague expression is less often incorrect).


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CrimsonRain • yesterday at 10:12 PM

I don't disagree with you. However, you are ignoring one key point that I made: the difference of base intelligence.

Let's assume you have an IQ of 135. You are not that far from even the crazy smarts at 150 and as long as they have some social skills, it will work out. I, myself, never had issue with understanding the smart people.

Now let's assume you have an IQ of 110. Unless 140/150 IQ people are spending inordinate amount of time formulating how to simplify things for you, things will fly above your head.

This does not mean just because someone is 150, and someone is 110, the 110 is always the problem.

This also does not mean an 120 explaining something to 140, and failing is 120's fault or the other ones'.

Every combination is possible as we are talking about personalities/ability to articulate oneself.

However, I was talking about a specific scenario, which I have faced myself and saw it happen a lot of times (to other people), where someone's simplification level is still higher than someone's max understanding level simply because the deviation between their caliber is too great. In most cases, this can be worked around by the explainer spending inordinate amount of time.