logoalt Hacker News

brabel • yesterday at 12:11 PM • 5 replies • view on HN

Does anyone really believe Russia will eventually just surrender and leave? I can’t imagine the rationale to believe that. When Putin leaves all indications are that the next leader will actually be much more hawkish. They will only leave if someone bombs them to death. Which is quite a dangerous thing to do. Ukraine is pushing the limits, and everyone knows it’s with the help of many EU countries. I wonder what it will take for Russia to reach desperate measures in this war.


Replies

simondotau • yesterday at 12:49 PM

Russia have been taking desperate measures for years. The only thing they haven’t done is use nukes, which Russia can’t use without consequences that vastly outweigh the benefits.

kolinko • yesterday at 12:45 PM

They left Afghanistan. Also, Imdon’t see Ukraine giving up any time soon either.

killerstorm • yesterday at 12:29 PM

I see no reason why they can't agree on a truce: Russia haven't gained any meaningful ground for a while. A truce or even a peace treaty would be strictly beneficial to Russia.

➕ show 1 reply
graeme • yesterday at 7:03 PM

>Does anyone really believe Russia will eventually just surrender and leave?

With internal turmoil, yes. To maintain the lines in Ukraine Russia needs to constantly send in troops and materiel.

Eventually Russia may decide not to do so. And then there is no magic "pause the frontlines" button if they do.

There is plenty of precedent for this in Russian history too. The Russian Revolution collapsed the frontlines in WWI. The Soviet Empire collapsed with the fall of communism and concomitant internal turmoil.

Russian propaganda puts a lot effort into treating Russia as some sort of force of nature that cannot be deterred or reasoned with, that will advance and hold Ukraine at all costs.

It isn't true. They're humans like the rest of us, not a natural, unstoppable force.

453yuh46 • yesterday at 7:23 PM

Death of Putin seems to be the main event that defines eventuality.

>>>I wonder what it will take for Russia to reach desperate measures in this war.

I think, that NATO countries for sure are allowing that to happen, but on other hand... I do want to have some changes.