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pbasista • yesterday at 3:08 PM • 7 replies • view on HN

Terms of service have no legal binding unless both parties agree to them.

In other words, if X has a public API and Nitter is using it, then neither Nitter themselves nor the Nitter users have to agree to any terms of service in order to do so.

X cannot expect anyone to behave in accordance with terms and conditions they never agreed to.


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digitaltrees • yesterday at 3:40 PM

We need to revise the law around terms of service, we are allowing companies to impose all kinds of monopolistic, anti competitive, user hostile, privacy invasion, and other measures against the public interest simply by burying provision in a wall of text they know no one will understand even if they read it.

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BugsJustFindMe • yesterday at 8:10 PM

> if X has a public API and Nitter is using it

Public as in being visible to all is not the same as public as in allowing use by all. You appear to be conflating the former definition with the latter. For example, my front door is visible to all, but a person isn't allowed to walk into my house without permission.

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kvuj • yesterday at 3:16 PM

> In other words, if X has a public API and Nitter is using it, then neither Nitter themselves nor the Nitter users have to agree to any terms of service in order to do so.

That's not true. Publicly available source code with licenses dispute your claim.

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pmoriarty • yesterday at 5:54 PM

> Terms of service have no legal binding unless both parties agree to them.

Even if both parties agree to them, are there any legal consequences for breaking the terms of service?

KPGv2 • yesterday at 4:13 PM

> Terms of service have no legal binding unless both parties agree to them.

Companies are perfectly entitled to tell people they aren't allowed to use their services anymore. That's what the C&D was. It's perfectly legal to say "here's an API anyone can use, except you, Anish Kapoor."

It's like if Reddit bans you, you aren't entitled to use the site after they've told you you're banned. Even if you can find a technical means around the ban, it's still trespass.

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ButlerianJihad • yesterday at 8:04 PM

Isn't it the entire premise of Nitter and the other scrapers, to use accounts in order to access the API, access non-public posts, and proxy them to the public?

If Nitter is creating accounts for access then it doesn't matter whether they use the API or the web client (which is also API). Because creating an account binds you to the Terms of Use. It's not rocket science.

Also, to further cement this comment's unpopularity: it's unconscionable and appalling that this Nitter team, these cheats and thieves, that they are now begging for money and attorneys to bail them out of this legal grave they've dug for themselves. I sincerely hope that they are dragged in court, that they lose, and that they are severely financially damaged by trying to fight this stupid battle.

There is no reason to bypass authentication just because you hate X or Musk or you think it's somehow unjust that people can't access shit without simply signing up and agreeing to contract terms. Most sane idiots would simply shut down, take their "L" and do something productive. Doubling down and begging for legal fee donations is brazen and shameless and, honestly, insane.

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doctorpangloss • yesterday at 4:14 PM

"Haha I used the API which I KNOW is governed by the ToS but I didn't agree to it"

Judge: "do you agree to the terms?"

"No"

Judge: "then you can't use the API"

"But look at all the downvotes this is getting! You're wrong Mr. Judge!"

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