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nradov • today at 3:08 PM • 2 replies • view on HN

What a weird non sequitur. Unlike the North Atlantic Treaty which established NATO, the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 was explicitly not a mutual defense treaty (or even a treaty at all). It merely required the USA to bring violations to the UN Security Council, which we did in 2022. Promises made, promises kept.


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estearum • today at 3:41 PM

Again, in a legalistic sense, sure.

But again, in a legalistic sense, even NATO Article 5 also doesn't obligate the US to do anything.

No document (Budapest memoranda or NATO treaty) can require the US to do anything, so all that matters is whether the US is signaling itself as a country that defends its partners.

If you believe that Article 5 obligates the US to do anything more than what we've done so far in Ukraine, please explain why.

If you don't believe that Article 5 does that, then I'm not sure why you seem dismissive of the idea that we're creating conditions for a nuclear proliferation spiral.

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CamperBob2 • today at 5:02 PM

Good luck getting anyone else to give up their nukes, now that the world has seen what the US is made of. We, yourself included, are less safe because of Trump's treachery.

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