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"Tame" boar and deer are instinctively adapting to the wolf in the Netherlands

50 points • by felipevb • today at 9:08 AM • 91 comments • view on HN

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isoprophlex • today at 9:44 AM

for those who don't speak Dutch: we haven't had wolves in a long time.

now that they're back, eg. wild boar are seen congegating in groups of 50-60 animals, for herd safety. something they never did before.

Edit: this linked, translated article has more info https://nos-nl.translate.goog/artikel/2635314-wolf-maakt-zwi...

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kihv • today at 10:44 AM

We should also definitely reintroduce lions to Southern Europe ! We know for sure they were roaming in Greece (Herodote talks about them during wars against Persia, Herakles had to kill Nemee lion according to the legend, etc.), and that they were hunted, most certainly to extinction.

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inshard • today at 5:46 PM

Researching this and imagining what the Romans saw in their campaigns up north, and also Asterix comics, I found this tidbit about adaptation in general: "Wolves generally follow Bergmann's rule, a biological principle stating that populations of the same species living in colder, higher-latitude environments tend to be larger than those closer to the equator."

jmclnx • today at 12:30 PM

I saw something like this in the City I live in. There were Pigeons everywhere. one day ages ago I was riding my bicycle to college and I saw a hawk fly down to a group of Pigeons hanging around on the ground and grab one. The Pigeons looked surprised and did not know what to do. That was over 40 years ago when Hawks started repopulating the area.

Not long afterwards, all Pigeons started hiding and you do not see many just hanging around. One favorite place is under bridges. Shows animals will learn real fast to avoid threats :)

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lifestyleguru • today at 10:11 AM

Across European Plain entire native wildlife down to pigeons and rats had been killed and/or consumed at some point because of wars and famines. Entire current wildlife has been reintroduced.

hbogert • today at 9:42 AM

Ah yes the nice EU experiment where it uses the Netherlands for as their experimentation grounds. The goal of having more wild life is lofty, but it makes no sense in the netherlands . For the people who don't know, there weren't wild wolves up to 2015. There now are many and they've attacked people, horses and wiped out complete herds of sheep. The amount of sheep they are killing is increasing exponentially. (not using exponentially lightly here.) Proponents during the 2015-2020 era said that it would never come to this situation, alas.

Rhetoric questions by proponents as seen on national news website[1]:

> We hebben ook weleens last van de mens, die schieten we toch ook niet af?

> -- Aaldrik Pot

Translated:

"We also have issues with people every now and then, were not shooting them are we?"

[1]: https://nos.nl/artikel/2245512-waarom-willen-we-eigenlijk-wi...

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asanineassasin • today at 10:16 AM

Introducing the concept of the "scratchpost" to nature lovers. If im small and hunted, why does it help me to know predators nearby who do not hunt me- and to take predators chasing me, to them, so they get eaten? Because survival means, if i have a scratchpost, i can get rid of them.

So what is a village of humans- not allowed to hunt me near houses, with driving cars- other then a predator scratchpost. Bonuspoints if the disney-hystrics install dart guns to sedate the predators.

Also look at those boars and deer. They are massive. Are you really sure, a creature whose culture changes on a yearly basis, will not try to attack a weak human, compared to a wild boar, when hunger bites in the winter?