Microsoft Teams is a red flag

What I conclude from an organization using Teams is that they're running Microsoft stack, which affects my opinion far more negatively. Microsoft sales are powerful. If you use Teams, there's a chance that:

- You use Windows for OS

- You use Sharepoint for documentation

- You use Outlook for Mail

- You use OneDrive for storage

- You use Azure for hosting

- You use Copilot for LLM

- You use GitHub for scm

- etc

all of those are things I actively want to avoid. they're all sub-par, they're all managed by button-clicking pseudo-sysadmins, they're all red flags.

There are plenty of serious businesses doing serious things, complex things, that use microsoft teams for chat. My work uses it, it kinda sucks, but honestly there's way more things to bikeshed than chat apps. You can send text messages and make video calls and do presentations in microsoft teams.

I’m not quite sure, but the reasoning that some technology is frustrating users and therefore is not calculated in when optimizing cost per seat could apply to every software. In a large enough company there will be always people complaining about this and that. If you google you will also find people complaining about Slack.

I like Teams. Especially the Meeting feature. I like that I can join with multiple devices in a meeting. Sharing stuff in a meeting is also pretty cool and easy. I also like the integration into other products.

The only thing which could be better is performance - even the new WebView2 thing is not enough. But this is sadly common for most tools like this.

The usability in Teams always feels bad to me, like it was designed and developed by someone trying to be fancy without being usable.. Text content in chats is in a strange light gray color, messages are collapsed by default so you have to expand them to read anything longer than a few words, then requiring a "title" for every message.. Slack just feels more natural to me, more thought-out..

1000000% agree. I'm currently interviewing for new jobs and when I hear that they use Microsoft Teams it's always a red flag. Not a deal breaker, but a red flag nonetheless. It is truly awful.

Of course it is. And from a user's perspective, I often hear people saying they are 'forced' to use it because their employers want them to, otherwise they risk being fired, but I have never understood how that behavior is considered legal, since it's literally coercing somebody to accept Microsoft's abusive privacy and service policies that explicitly state that unless agreed, their products can't be used.

I have never used Zoom or Teams in my life since I never agreed with their ToS&PP, and I've never been in a situation where my career would depend on it (I'm self-employed). When somebody asks me to join these, I nicely respond with that exact reason why I can't use them and propose using Jitsi Meet instead, and I have never experienced anybody rejecting it yet.

I love when people shit on teams and provide no basis for why it’s so much worse than all the other chat offerings other than it being teams.

Snap opinion made by a software dev who thinks the entire world revolves around software development and this dev's workflow.

There's any number of reasons an org would choose teams over slack, or any Microsoft product over an alternative, even your example of the cost shows a clear lack of knowledge of information outside your narrow scope.

How do you know your org is paying the price you found on a website?

You realize there are other vendors people pay infrastructure contracts through who bundle Microsoft products in their contract?

Stay in your lane.