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ttul • today at 4:54 PM • 13 replies • view on HN

I was chatting with a friend who commits on a very well known open source project (~80K stars). He is disillusioned not because the robots aren't good at what they do -- they totally are. The sad thing is that he enjoyed writing code and working with the community on improvements because it was a very human, collaborative thing to do. So, while the robots are great at pushing the project forward even faster and doing fantastic things for security and performance, the joy is gone.

I can totally identify with that feeling. It must be how professional mathematicians are feeling as well.


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rco8786 • today at 5:01 PM

Everyone in SWE (who got into it for the love of writing code) is experiencing this. I've been direct with my team about it being a legitimate feeling of grief and the grieving process that comes along with it. It's been helpful for folks to hear that they aren't alone in that feeling.

And also that on the other side of that grief is something new and potentially exciting, but very different than what we're all used to.

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Rapzid • today at 7:46 PM

Yeah the AI companies slurped up all our work and are now selling it back to us in the form of trained LLMs.

What's the point of contributing to OSS if anyone can just LLM wash your work knowingly or unknowingly? You won't even get credit. Heck, you won't even know if anyone is using it!

But then what if you have a larger project than a library. Do all the leg work figuring out what works and what doesn't. What users like. Then anyone can just point an LLM at it and clone it for $50? Fun.

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bijowo1676 • today at 5:02 PM

it feels like a transition from artisan level work to factory based industrial manufacturing.

the functionally same product is still being made, but there is less human involvement in the craft, and more of a human management over the manufacturing process

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abstractcontrol • today at 5:14 PM

I am always doing everything alone, so I am liking the LLMs a lot. My own code is very good, but nobody but myself cared about that. Even the one job that I got which allowed me to gather the capital needed to move into trading feels like complete luck. This is a new golden age for entrepreneurs and apocalypse for wage workers. Nobody whose status depends on his own productivity would complain about it going up sharply.

Probably the LLMs saved me because deep down I knew that my own power by itself wouldn't be enough to let me do what I really want, but right now the future does seem bright.

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ricardobeat • today at 5:32 PM

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Having a machine that does most of the coding for you means you can have more of the collaborative, human input. You can focus on the UX, you can fix all bugs, you can experiment with new ideas faster than ever. There will be zero excuses for poorly done work - think of all the half-assed corporate apps you have had to use during your career. I think this is the start of a great era in software development.

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aschla • today at 6:27 PM

I imagine it was what it felt like for miners when they went from working next to each other with pickaxes, to operating massive machines by themselves, although that timeline was much longer and less jarring, taking a generation or two.

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matthewdgreen • today at 6:23 PM

You have to wonder if this site will go next.

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Loquebantur • today at 5:02 PM

Just like with mathematicians, is it all really just about people losing a random, replaceable job and what they enjoyed about it?

Being able to program means in particular, you can read those programs and understand what they do.

What happens when you don't understand them anymore?

Living in a reality where everything is a black box, doing its thing as if by magic, leaves you in a position devoid of control. The objects upholding your life are incomprehensible to you, you cannot change them or even only reliably exchange them with alternatives.

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majorchord • today at 5:15 PM

How is that being disillusioned?

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