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itqwertz • today at 12:44 AM • 4 replies • view on HN

I’ve seen a few friends and coworkers go down this path, usually as a result of work stress or hustle culture. They start on neutropics and energy drinks, then get scripts for Adderall or Vyvanse to handle the perceived insurmountable workload, stabilize on those after an initial euphoria, then build up a heroic tolerance to (dextro|meth)amphetamines. Withdrawals from that high level of addiction leads to anxiety, insomnia, delusions, mania and all sorts of craziness (I suspect the lack of sleep is the culprit).

Eventually this sends the patient to a doctor/dealer to escape their misery of detox/relapse cycles. The gates to hell are finally opened once a benzo is prescribed.

One entrepreneur ended punching a bouncer and attempting to flee on a bus to some random city, spending more than a week in jail. Another fled the U.S. after making a lot of crazy purchases and life choices, he is now living in a war zone voluntarily. The amount of DGAF/YOLO these drugs give the user are very understated. The withdrawals were much worse. I’ve never seen someone down almost a whole handle of bourbon just to get “normal“. The brain zaps and the tics/twitches were very noticeable.

Stevie Nicks has also spoken publicly about her struggles with Klonopin withdrawal. BEWARE!!!


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shoobiedoo • today at 2:43 AM

Pretty wild how common it really is. In places you wouldn't expect. I started working night shift in a warehouse when I was in my 20s, and got to know a couple of the funny yet seemingly regular guys. I asked them for advice on how to adjust to the graveyard shift. They said you gotta stay up on weekends, no exceptions. "Come out with us for a few beer sometime."

So there we are in a regular pub, about 11pm. One guy starts dialing on his phone and says, "I'm gonna pick up. You want in?" I kind of smirked and said, "uhhh I don't smoke weed dude. Thanks." And he looked at me like I was an innocent deer and said, "umm, we're going skiing dude. this is how we stay up."

Oh boy. I was never addicted to it thank god, but what a wild couple of years that was.

slowin • today at 12:55 AM

> handle the perceived insurmountable workload

This is so wild to me because output and work quality rapidly decline at (or well before) 40 hours a week. It sounds like a joke, but I probably have 4 good hours in me a day. Sure, more if I'm really into something, but working 4 hours a day 3-5 (max) days a week will actually achieve peak results in my experience.

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tflinton • today at 1:59 AM

Is it possible you have the cause and effect backwards? These people could have highly addictive personalities and were just switching from one drug to another and it’s not the actual drug that’s the issue.

Take the adderall and benzodiazepines out of the equation and they might just as well be using cocaine and barbiturates.

nradov • today at 2:26 AM

What are you seeing with Modafinil (Provigil)? It seems to be popular among the same crowd.